Sled comparisons

General Discussions: ASK John: Sled comparisons

By uncle_ed on Monday, April 06, 2009 - 06:56 pm: Edit Post

Now that you have a season under your belt with the new sleds..... I was wondering what your feelings were on them. Do you wish you had the poo`s back or are they an improvement? Will they be your choice for next season? Plus or minuses on them, etc. I ride an Apex and love it except for the weight. I cant lose any so I am thinking of putting the sled on a diet!
Ed


By admin on Tuesday, April 07, 2009 - 08:53 am: Edit Post

Hi Ed-

Well, both sleds were a step up from the old Edge chassis that the RMK's had. Much more comfortable ride and more responsive.

With that said, the XTX is a crossover sled and really is exactly that. It is pretty good on the trail and pretty good off trail, but does not do either great. My riding style really requires a mountain sled to give me the best fun factor, so I found the XTX to be lacking in the extreme boondocking area- which is something I do to one extent or another on almost every ride I take.

So for me, if I were to be give the choice betweem my 05 800 RMK or the XTX, I would have to choose the RMK. If I were a more casual backcountry rider (mainly logging roads) and/or did more trail riding than I do, then the XTX would definately get the call. It is a great sled for what it is designed for.

The pluses on the XTX are it's motor- it is so hard pulling, I have a hard time thinking it belongs in the 600 class. Plus the gas and go feature of the 4 stroke is a huge plus. The minuses for the XTX are it's weight. You don't feel it at all on the trail and in the shallower powder. Nor did we find it any worse to get unstuck than other sleds. All stuck sleds are heavy! In the deeper powder (12-14"+), the front-heaviness of the sled started to show up in that the sled liked to nose dive. I also found the sled more difficult to ride in extreme off camber situations. It was more difficult to hold a side hill on.

As for the M8 vs. the RMK's, there really is no question the M wins hands down. That chassis is a boondockers dream and the M8 made plenty of power. It sidehills awesome and is easy to toss around. For my riding style, that chassis is hands down the best, with the IQ in second. I still cannot get used to the XP, but that is just me. I know plenty that love the chassis style of the Doos. So rider preference is very important.

-John


By lenny on Tuesday, April 07, 2009 - 12:03 pm: Edit Post

John, I have to second the xp handling compared to cat. Mr.Freeze has a xp and I struggled big time tossing it around, my yammi mtn lite with sway bar off was far better than the xp (in that class only) I recently rode a etek 600 xp and same thing, stable as could be and hard to lay over. My mtn max lays over 10 times better. I just wanted to elaborate on the great handling of the cats.


By rusty1577 on Tuesday, April 07, 2009 - 05:43 pm: Edit Post

so does that mean you are keeping the m or is it going to be a 163hp 2010?


By admin on Tuesday, April 07, 2009 - 08:20 pm: Edit Post

Rusty-

Yep! :-O

-John


By mikes99ss on Tuesday, April 07, 2009 - 09:54 pm: Edit Post

and so it begins!! :-)


By rusty1577 on Wednesday, April 08, 2009 - 02:24 am: Edit Post

tooshay...

well
If you end up going new and looking to sell the slp set-up......email me....


By skylar on Sunday, April 12, 2009 - 12:34 pm: Edit Post

No Rusty, you don't understand, he is keeping the 09, AND getting a 2010. :-)


By admin on Sunday, April 12, 2009 - 02:49 pm: Edit Post

egzackly.

The shop will have M16 next year.

-John


By favoritos on Sunday, April 12, 2009 - 03:18 pm: Edit Post

Should have plenty of power.


By rusty1577 on Monday, April 13, 2009 - 06:33 pm: Edit Post

john
not sure if you seen this
http://www.snowest.com/forum/showthread.php?t=146284

did you do all the recommendations from slp? as in clutching? sounds like 91 octane, are you pulling 8100 on stock clutch?


By admin on Tuesday, April 14, 2009 - 04:34 am: Edit Post

I don't have any problems with the EGT with my setup. Interestingly, I did get the EGT error with the stock setup, but once I went with the mods, it disappeared.

Along with the mods I did clutching too with the MTX weights from SLP. It revs to 8100 here and out west. The thing just rips. Will be interesting to see how it runs against the 2010.

-John


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