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timmer72
03-08-2009, 06:27 PM
Just wondering if is possible to put these on a crossfire7. I imagine different cables and brake line may be needed. I love the adjustability of these things. I run a 2 inch riser right now, but that is not enough. The 2 inch is somewhat awkward for trail riding also.
Also does anyone know how much this setup might cost?
stealthv
03-08-2009, 08:52 PM
Adjustable Steering Post Kit, P/N 5639-153 $178
scottd
03-08-2009, 09:03 PM
I had 5639-153 on order and it's been backordered for quite a while. On a tip from someone I ordered the individual parts (0705-988, 1623-753 (qty 4), 1705-284, and 0605-867) online from babbits (www.arcticcatpartshouse.com/ (http://www.arcticcatpartshouse.com/)) and supposedly they will be here end of next week. Price was around $175-180 with shipping.
sabercat
03-09-2009, 07:23 AM
Does anyone know whats in the kit? Isn't it just swapping out the post and finding some length in your cables?
timmer72
03-09-2009, 07:39 AM
Thanks for the help guys!
on your x fire 7 you will prob need new bars unless you would need a 8 in riser with a 07 or newer bars
scottd
03-09-2009, 10:11 AM
The kit is just those part numbers I listed above (not sure about the 0605-867 one and even how much you need that one?). 0705-988 is essentially what you need and the 1623-753 and 1705-284 are the screws and top for the mount. The "kit" just has all those bundled together.
Just go to the site I listed and search for parts for an '09 Sno Pro and look at the microfiche drawing and compare it to the non-sno pro. Should make perfect sense then. For '08 or '09 non-sno pro you just need to change out the shaft assembly. Like ezra said, I think for '07 and older you will need new bars too.
timmer72
03-09-2009, 11:01 AM
Thats right, 07's and newer have a completely different bar. The 06 CF has a bar similar to mid 2000's mountain cats. I forgot that. This job might take a few more parts.
I think it sounds like the cat kit and a fall trip to some swaps.that is my plan.unless this power ball thing works out
scottd
03-13-2009, 09:44 AM
Just an update for anyone wanting these parts. I did get the parts yesterday when I ordered them individually as in my post up above. The "kit" is backordered so if you want to actually get them order them seperate. Price was just shy of $180 shipped from Babbits.
I checked kon this as well for my x-fire. I suspected the handle bars would need to be changed though & confirmed that. I spoke with the dealer I bought it from & as it turns out the 09 sno-pro kit is available, as was the cap assembly each seperately. I had him order them up as well as a new set of bars, they should be here in a couple of day's. I am hoping to get to use them once before we have to call it for the season.-mezz
mez what was the dammage with bars?can you reuse your hand warmers on the new cats are thay still a plug that slides in bar?prob new grips to or at least glue
ezra, I believe the bars are an additional Fifty bucks, I can reuse the hand warmers & the grips which can be warmed to remove & glued back on. As far as the total damage, I don't know exactly yet, but, no matter what, I know it will be worth it. On top of that, the shop I am working with treats me real good. I will let you know when it's complete.-Mezz
timmer72
03-16-2009, 10:38 AM
Mezz,
Did you have to get new throttle cable and brake line or just extenstions for both? Or will the stock ones work?
m8man
03-16-2009, 12:39 PM
He told me the stock ones would work....
m8man
cuzzinolaf
03-16-2009, 01:02 PM
2009 M-Series (and maybe Crossfires) have longer cables than the 2007-2008 M-Series. I put a 5 inch riser on my 2008 M8 and that is the MAX. I was told the new telescoping riser maxes out at 6 inches. You'll need to do a longer throttle cable and maybe a brake line.
I looked at that closely before moving forward on this project & I did not feel it would be needed due to the difference in the new M handle bars & the earlier versions like those on the Crossfire. I had the boy's at the shop check out the specifics on it & they agree, with the new style M bars, the stock cable, brake line & wiring will not be a problem. Parts came in today, sled is getting an update as we speak. Hopefully, the weather will cooperate for another week or two so I can use them. I will keep you posted.-Mezz
Update, the install has gone well with one minor modification needed. After installing the steering post & putting the steering connecting rod back in place, we discovered the steering rod would hit the bottom of the exhaust pipe when turning the ski's hard left. We contemplated a couple of different idea's, but did find a simple remedy to it, that being adding a 5/8" thick rubber to the top of the seat where the exhaust pipe rests on the left side. This gave ample clearance to the steering rod & still left enough room between the hood & exhaust. Will get it back tomorrow, can't wait! I'm like a kid waiting for Santa!-Mezz
cuzzinolaf
03-16-2009, 04:59 PM
No cable extension on a 2006 Crossfire? How much of a rise would you say you get in the highest position? Compared to stock?
No cable extension needed, I cannot say exactly yet on the amount of the rise as I did not measure the difference. I will say that compared to stock it is a significant change. I had a 1" riser block on the stock bars & post which still didn't quite get it for me in the standing position as I am a little on the tall side. The new post & bars allow me to stand fully with no bending needed at the waist. With that in mind I would guess another 3" over what I had. I will be picking the sled up this afternoon & try to get some measurements for you, possibly some pic's if I have the time.-Mezz
Disappointing news, I cannot use this on my sled without some serious modification to the steering post. There is apparently a positioning issue with the base of the post which puts a canter in the steering post fully mounted. A slightly different mounting set up at the bottom of the 06 which would require using the bottom portion of the stock post in order for it to mount straight. I don't believe this would be an issue on the 07, but, I cannot be sure. I am bummed! Everything looked like it was falling into place then the big curve ball, oh well, someone had to find out, just wish it didn't have to be me.-Mezz
cuzzinolaf
03-17-2009, 11:15 AM
Rox makes an adjustable riser. It isn't the easiest to raise/lower but it works.
Just got back from the shop, the new steering post has a slight bend in it toward the bottom. It must be offset to get the proper clearance in the newer sleds. The only way I could use this particular set up would be to cut the post just above the bend & weld a section from the lower post of the original to it to make it a straight shot. The guy's told me they didn't want to experiment with that on my sled, but, may try it on theirs. If all goes well with that, I just may have them fabricate that for me as well. Thanks for the info cuzzinolaf, I have to say I really like the ease of the adjustment on the Cat set-up. There may be hope yet, just have to wait & see.-Mezz
is the bulk head diff on the 07 and up or just the angel of the post.the post is on the top of the cooler from what I can tell and the bulk head looks level at stering mount .did cat change cooler because of 3 pitch insted of 2.52 maby I dont know.looks like thear is a welded sleeve just about 2 in from bottem of post now .let us know how the fix is going
looking at the www.fabcraft.com/steering-arctic.php?sled=13 (http://www.fabcraft.com/steering-arctic.php?sled=13) you can see the 07 and up have a dif bottem mount and the bend is just above the arm conector thay have 2 laying side by side about mid page.looks like a guy would have to weld old and new lust above arm mount.I know welding usualy works but 1 time I was left holding my bars in my hand held to sled by just cables .not a good fealing as you go to pull the sled over to avoid a tree and the bars come off
ezra, as stated in my last post, that is precisely what we discussed. I paid the guy's a visit at the shop today to brainstorm a bit more on this & that is precisely what they did to their sled. What they did was cut it off just above the bend on the new post & removed the a length from the original post. A piece of heavy tubing (heavier than the post itself) was ground to fit & inserted into each piece of the post & each were welded to the insert. The slight gap remaining between the weld on the insert was then filled with weld, ground, painted & installed, WaLa! All clearances with exhaust & fuel tank are good to go, so, no other modification needed. A simple retro fit of the control caps will be the extent of it. All wiring, cable & brake line fit the travel. Ordered the parts (again)today, I am going forward with it. Bummer it won't be for this season, unless of course we get a late March early April pummeling, but I will have what I was looking for. I will still hope for that pummeling though! May have to start paging Meester Bleezard & Co.!-Mezz
purproadking
03-22-2009, 10:59 AM
let us know how its going, sat on a new crossfire with this yesterday, and i gotta have them for my 06, any pics?
The parts will be in this week. I will try to remember to get pic's showing the measurements before & after install, including differences in the adjustment travel on the new steering post. This addition as well the 1.6 Mtn Paddle & the Parabolic Ski's, will be a definite improvement & will really add to the versatility of this Crossover, not to mention easier on the lower back, can't wait.-Mezz
purproadking
03-23-2009, 04:23 PM
thanx, any help with measurements will be great.
Sled went in today for the change over. I did get pic's of before install, I will post those with pic's of after install once I get it back. I'm stoked!-Mezz
sabercat
03-24-2009, 06:35 PM
mezz are you welding up a hybrid post for your crossfire?
m8man
03-24-2009, 07:52 PM
Wow, can't wait to see the pic's, I mean the sled in person.<font color="ff0000">•</font><font color="ff0000">•</font><font color="ff0000">•</font><font color="ff0000">•</font><font color="ff0000">•</font>'d be cool to check out the fabrication work done to make it work.
Keep me posted.
m8man
sabercat, that is what is being done now. I have pic's of the process, but I want to wait until it's done & post them all together. The post is completed & installed, I am currently waiting on the new handle bars which should be in this afternoon. The guy's did a real nice job on this & went out of their way for me. A BIG Kudos to Mark & Bill at Kiilunen Repair Works in Lake Linden. I will post an update as soon as I can.-Mezz
Well, I have to say, this was worth the wait. Here are some pic's of the conversion beginning with what this looked like with the original post & bars. You will note the handle bar height from running board toe hold to bottom of bar at 34" which includes the 1" riser.
http://www.johndee.com/discuss/messages/6/107963.jpg
http://www.johndee.com/discuss/messages/6/107964.jpg
The next pic is of the new steering post which has been cut. The lower section (bottom of pic) was then fitted with a heavier tube insert.
http://www.johndee.com/discuss/messages/6/107965.jpg
The three pieces were then welded together around the complete circumference, then a gusset plate was added to the face of the post.
http://www.johndee.com/discuss/messages/6/107966.jpg
The following pic will show the new post & bars in the lowest position measuring 32-1/2".
http://www.johndee.com/discuss/messages/6/107967.jpg
The next is in the highest position measuring
36-1/2".
http://www.johndee.com/discuss/messages/6/107968.jpg
The 4" of adjust-ability is phenomenal & it can be done on the fly as well. The remaining pic's are of the finished look. In light of the fact that the original throttle & brake controls were used, the original control covers were cut to fit the bars to give it a nice finished look.
http://www.johndee.com/discuss/messages/6/107969.jpg
http://www.johndee.com/discuss/messages/6/107970.jpg
http://www.johndee.com/discuss/messages/6/107971.jpg
I did get to use it on Saturday for a while putting it through a decent 42 mile bush ride. I can say this, I will not have another sled without this set-up! Again, a big thanks to Mark & Bill at Kiilunen's Repair for their quality work & also to Chad at M&M Powersports who had a throttle cable for me late Friday.-Mezz
m8man
03-29-2009, 06:04 PM
Looks sweet, Hopefully one more tear as long as they get my M set early this week..
cg
I should add for those who don't know this already, the adjustments shown above are just the lowest & highest setting. The bars do lock in between the 2 settings to where you feel comfortable in either the standing or seated position. I felt it would be redundant to take a picture for each height adjustment. This feature will be a must have for me from here on in.-Mezz
ttt getting my shopping list and need this at the top for a ez find for me and my fab guy
Firecatguy
09-01-2009, 01:53 AM
thanks for the reminder-- I new I was forgetting something now I need to find anther 200bucks
hay mezz did you need the cable to be longer or just need a new cable ?and was your brake line good withno probs in tight turns?I was going to move lower mount but sed f it I droped both posts of at welders with all layout marks to mutch messen around other way.I was thinking about getting new brake line the 09sp is alot longer and thay put a loop in it mid bar. and I cant tell buy looking at sled but throttle cable just disapers behind alloy plate I bet it may have some kind of loop also.I like the clean look of the sp wirring behind the riser plate.also in my parts removal I found my bikeman can had burnt the insulation flex cover on a harness behind can.just a reminder to keep the full insurance coverage on the sleds.also pulling jugs this week thay need more than just a trail port open up those transfers
ezra, I did not need a longer cable, I just needed to replace the one I had. When we did the change over, a split was discovered in the throttle cable casing which was causing it to hang up on return every so often. This was re-routed to avoid that from happening again. Expensive little bugger too! Routed it up the left side of the sled (like on the M). The brake line & wiring harness were no problem either. Remember, you will need the new style M handle bars for all of this to reach properly.-Mezz
purproadking
10-12-2009, 12:22 PM
just ordered my parts, we will see how it goes, thankx for the part numbers, the kit part number is no good anymore fyi.
well I don't know how you guys got the extra wire.I tried all the diff routs including moving main harness on top of coolant line next to bottle.moving all wire's to right side of post.well none would get me to the full ext of the post with full free movement.so tonight I guess I am going to have to start cutting splicing soldering and shrink wrapping.
ezra, did you change the handle bars to the new-09 style M handle bars? If not, you will definetly be short on the travel. The x-fire bars are too tall to reach everything with the new post. The x-fire throttle cable is actually longer than the M's, likewise with the wire harness & brake line, so you should have more than enough play if you change the handle bars.-Mezz
ezra, another thought occurred to me regarding your dilemma. I was thinking that if you did change the handle bars to the 09 M style, I would have to ask if your boy's welded the post to the same length as the original? What is the measurement from the bottom of the foothold to the bottom of the handle bars with the new post & bars in the lowest position? They should be around 32 1/2" to the bottom of the handle bar (check out my previous pic's). If not, I would safely say the post is a tad too long. Rest assured, I'm not the B.S ing kind, I did not have to change or extend anything, just a bit of re-routing & that was it. Keep us up-dated.-Mezz
yeah I did buy the 09 bars.and I am sure the lower section of post is the same because of how you mount the post if it was to long the upper mount would not work because of the collar on the post that sits below the upper mount.I did solder and shrink wrap the ground on muffler side tonight.and 1 of the warmer cables well actually 3 but 1 cable.she is getting Thar.on another note I put on my graphics kit this weekend looks sweet I used the www.blownconcepts.com (http://www.blownconcepts.com) pin up girl in green almost more stoked about them than bars.almost
1 more thought I know the EB crossfires used some m parts like rear cooler wiring ect.I don't have a EB but my bud has A EB with the small cooler and diff helix and weights his was built less than 30 days before my sled maybe I have a M harness.cant say looks the same as yours from what I can see but maybe it is a M and maybe M was shorter.oh well I enjoy tinkering almost as much as breaking I mean riding them
ezra, I hadn't thought about the upper mount not matching up if the post were a tad long, good observation. They obviously did use a different harness which I am sure the only difference between the two would be their length. My sled & my dealers sled converted with no problems. You will have to post a pic of the new graphics. Hope all goes well with finishing the conversion. I know you will like it.-Mezz
purproadking
10-24-2009, 04:43 PM
got the steering post today, with the pics mezz put up this should be easy.
OK all wire soldered and shrink wrapped bolts tight done deal.prob got over 10 hr in to the project.I can pull the motor split the case install a new crank and top end in less time than the bars took me.but it was fun and gave me zen time in the shop that is all that counts.on to cleaning power valves and DD oil change hit all Zerk's.then I am ready to just sit on it and look out the garage door and Waite for snow OH GOD MAKE IT SNOW SOON I can hardly take it
I hope the "Zen time" was worth it for you. I probably would have taken a short-cut & picked up or traded the harness for a longer one. I know you can't really try it out right now, but, what do you think of the adjustability? It won't be too long & you will get to give it a work out. Glad to hear you got it done.-Mezz
I think it will be great the ape hanger thing after a long day is always kinda a drag.
purproadking
11-03-2009, 06:21 AM
got the bars on, look great. instead of cutting and changing out the lower half of the shaft. i moved the mounting bracket on the bottom to the left . i measured a new crossfire 800 at 7 inches from the edge of the bulkhead to the center of the steering shaft. redrilled the holes and bolted it up. all the wires and cables were long enough, but barley.
did you add some extra flat alloy to the top of bulk head? I saw the newer ones had 2 layer of alloy further out than the 06 so the bracket would be more stable I guess.I was going to go that rout and went with cut and weld.if any one is going the move the mount rout send me a self addressed envelope and I will give you the new post mount I bought and now will sit in the shop for the next 10yrs unless some one needs it
purproadking
11-03-2009, 09:33 PM
i did not add any metal, i figured that cat thought the first was ok that moving it over would be ok also. i dont think that this is a high stress area either.but i could be wrong also, time will tell.
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