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choc_lab
08-21-2009, 12:58 PM
does anyone know if you can ride on the road shoulders in baraga legally county near skannee to big erics campground

eao
08-22-2009, 06:22 PM
here is a link to the county law..


http://www.vvmapping.com/trails/MICounties/ordinances/Baraga_ORV_Ordinance.pdf


quote{Section 7
Except as set forth herein or otherwise provided by law, an ORV which meets all of the following
conditions may be operated on a road or street in the county:
a) at a speed of no more than 25 miles per hour or a lower posted ORV speed limit.
b) by a person not less than 12 years of age.
c) with the flow of traffic.
d) in a manner which does not interfere with traffic on the road or street.
e) traveling single file except when overtaking and passing another ORV.
f) when visibility is not substantially reduced due to weather conditions unless
displaying a lighted headlight and lighted taillight.
g) ˝ hour before sunrise until ˝ hour after sunset unless displaying a lighted
headlight and lighted taillight.
h) while displaying a lighted headlight and lighted taillight at all hours beginning
January 1, 2010.
i) while the operator and each passenger is wearing a crash helmet and protective
eye wear approved by the United States department of transportation unless the
vehicle is equipped with a roof that meets or exceeds standards for a crash
helmet and the operator and each passenger is wearing a properly adjusted and
fastened seat belt.
j) with a throttle so designed that when the pressure used to advance the throttle
is removed, the engine speed will immediately and automatically return to idle.
k) while the ORV is equipped with a spark arrester type United States forest
service approved muffler in good working order and in constant operation.
l) pursuant to noise emission standards defined by law.
Section 8
A child less than 18 years of age shall not operate an ORV on a road or street in the county unless the child is
under the direct visual supervision of an adult and the child has in his or her immediate possession a Michigan
issued ORV safety certificate or a comparable ORV safety certificate issued under the authority of another state
or a province of Canada.
Section 9
Unless a person possesses a valid driver’s license, a person shall not operate an ORV on a road or street in the
county if the ORV is registered as a motor vehicle and is either more than 60 inches wide or has three wheels.
Section 10
Any person who violates this ordinance is guilty of a civil infraction and may be ordered to pay a civil fine of not
more than $500.00.}

skip_schulz
08-26-2009, 03:15 AM
Baraga County passed PA 240, as did all the counties in the Mi-TRALE ATV Network.

The law posted is from PA 240.

What I think choc_lab was asking was the specific road to Eric's campground...not what the law is.

Sorry, but I don't know where Eric's campground is. The rule of thumb on the PA 240 will always come down to the fact that no ATV is allowed on the shoulder or the ROW of any State or Federal Highway.

eao
08-26-2009, 09:33 AM
Its on the gravel/dirt road (Erics Rd) from Skanee to Big Bay, far from any State/Federal Hwy's.

Big Eric's (Baraga County) Campground on Big Eric's Rd at the Big Erics' bridge over East Branch Huron River.


PS-There are no shoulders on that road unless you count tree's as that, its a narrow twisty/curvy gravel/dirt road with no sight distance (seasonal?) with a lot of logging truck traffic.

choc_lab
08-26-2009, 11:21 AM
we went up to lanse this last weekend and stopped the sheriff and asked what the rules are for the county he told us stay as far right as you can on the paved nonstate or fed roads and drive nice and you will be ok. gravel and dirt are ok . Dnr went by us when we were on the shoulder of skanee road and waved to us so it must be ok.The riding was great. You could get lost in a hurry with all the backroads.

eao
08-26-2009, 11:51 AM
I said the campground was county but its state.

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East and north of L&#39;Anse, at the end of Skanee Road, is a rustic state forest campground at Big Eric&#39;s Bridge and Falls.<!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote>

fyi

The land up there was owned by Ford Motor Company &#40;some still is&#41;, where they had many logging camps and hauled the logs to his mill in Alberta on his own railroad. Henry Ford owned just about everything from US41 North to Lake Superior. He gave the State over 400 ft of ROW to construct US-41 from Alberta to Bovine. 200 ft for road and another 100 ft on each side for nature buffer.
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