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kraven700
09-27-2009, 09:06 PM
We've ben riding the Western U.P. snowmobiling ONLY for the last 24+ years. Usually we ride out of Manitowish Waters in Northern Wisconsin and do a backpack/road trip up to Copper Harbor and back, approx 500 miles 3 1/2 days.

I'm interested in buying a POLARIS RZR (50" wide) or RZR-S (60" wide model) next spring.
Can I do a similar trip with the side/side machine??? Even if I had to start further North like Lake Gogiebic area???, then taking the Bill Nichols trail up to Copper????

I purchased the ATV/ORV atlas a couple of years ago from Headwaters POLARIS, seemed like there were several "gaps" preventing continuous trail riding.

Also, what are the best times of the year to ride, wanted to bring my 6 year old daughter with(if possible) on one of the trips, for a scenic trip

Any help would be appreciated, Thanks

eao
09-28-2009, 10:15 AM
No gaps, you can ride from Land O'Lakes all the way to Calumet on legal trails (need Police Escort to cross bridge in Houghton-Hancock), from as far west as Marinesco to Iron River and beyong on the east. I know they can be used on most trails but not on USDA Nat't Forest land they cannot be, barricades to passage. I am up in the Houghton area and SxS are on the trails all the time.

The trails from Calumet North are not official ATV trails (snowmobile) although many still ride them with ATV's & SxS's.

Mi-TRALE has a big color map that shows all the trails in the western UP. If that is the one you have then are all set. Contact me if you would like to get one.

kraven700
09-28-2009, 01:38 PM
Thanks eao,

Specifically where is that forest land that I need to stay off of????

Going North of Calumet, I know you said S x S are riding the sled trails, but is it legal.?

How much of a hassle to get that police escort across the bridge?? I thought the lower level of the bridge would be open to atv's

How about going from Manitowish Waters to Silver City/Lake of the Clouds??

Can I ride over to Bond falls???

What is the most scenic and best time of year???/

Thanks for your help!

eao
09-28-2009, 01:58 PM
Specifically where is that forest land that I need to stay off of????
<font color="ff0000">Answer: Only been on that trail once, it goes from the Norwich Road to Bergland and is called the Southern Pioneer Trail. They have gates that block you from going thru with anything over 50 inches although I seen a Ranger 6x6 wiggle thru with the help of some strong arms</font>

Going North of Calumet, I know you said S x S are riding the sled trails, but is it legal.?
<font color="ff0000">ANSWER: Legal, techically NO. They are working on that but I think a few landowners are holding out, maybe be next year is will be a legal ORV trail. Btw-Some of that trail is extremely rough due to dumping of mine rock to build up bad spots in snowmobile trail. One person told me jagged rocks the size of footballs</font>

How much of a hassle to get that police escort across the bridge?? I thought the lower level of the bridge would be open to atv&#39;s.
<font color="ff0000">ANSWER: NOT much, takes a phone call. Escort time are 9:15am, 1:15pm, 6.15PM Call From Houghton side 906-482-2121 and from Hancock side 906-482-3102.
The bridge is subject to move at the beckon of boat traffic and no one is allowed to use the lower section, only snowmobiles in winter. The Mi-TRALE map has phone info on it. If you are Michigan street legal than this does not pertain.</font>

How about going from Manitowish Waters to Silver City/Lake of the Clouds??
<font color="ff0000">No way that I know off. Lake of the clouds is in state park, no ATV&#39;s allowed. Mi-TRALE is working on a way to Silver City but I County approved of it</font>

Can I ride over to Bond falls???
<font color="ff0000">ANSWER: Yes, Trail takes you there. See Map</font>

What is the most scenic and best time of year???/
<font color="ff0000">ANSWER: October for color and lot less on trails due to school etc, April is not good as trials are often in bad shape &#40;snow and washouts&#41;. June thru Oct are good times. Leaves don&#39;t fully come out up here till late May</font>

I think you might find a lot of useful trail info with a Mi-TRALE map.

mezz
09-28-2009, 04:31 PM
&#34;Going North of Calumet, I know you said S x S are riding the sled trails, but is it legal?&#34; Answer: As legal as any ATV traffic. It&#39;s not illegal, it&#39;s just not an offical &#34;Designated ORV Trail&#34;. Now if you come upon a posted private property sign &amp; decide to go forward, then you&#39;ve got a problem.-Mezz

kraven700
09-28-2009, 11:32 PM
THANKS VERY MUCH!<font color="ff0000">•</font><font color="ff0000">•</font><font color="ff0000">•</font><font color="ff0000">•</font><font color="ff0000">•</font><font color="ff0000">•</font><font color="ff0000">•</font>

I appreciate the help.

kraven700
09-29-2009, 02:14 AM
Hey eao,

I located the atlas that I purchased from Headwaters a year or two ago and it says &#34;Michigan Off Road Guide&#34; Upper Peninsula Edition, it&#39;s approx 11&#34; x 17&#34; in size. It sounds like the MI-Trale map that you referred to is something different than what I have. If you think it would be useful, let me know if you could help me obtain one.

THANKS again for all of your help.

snc46
09-29-2009, 07:45 AM
The trail map and the atlas are very different, I have both. I would get a MI TRALE map for sure. You need to stop at one of the sponsors to get one. I couldn&#39;t find anyone that would mail me one. I believe Headwaters polaris is a sponsor so they should have them. I also just made this ride a few weeks ago and the atv trail ended at the campground by the river so I couldn&#39;t even get to the bridge in Houghton. I don&#39;t know if I was suppost to take the trail that went toward the Holiday Inn but it looked like a snowmobile trail.

eao
09-29-2009, 08:33 AM
The Mi-TRALE map is like a large fold up road map. Shows all the designated trails and their route numbers, as well as just about everything you would expect to find on a road map. If you are riding in the UP you are at a disadvantage without one IMO. I am a map sponsor, email me for details, I will mail it.

When you get to the end of the trail in Houghton at the Canal Rd., that&#39;s the end of the trail. From there you need to call for Police escort as they insist you can only cross with their escort and guidance. Many have done this so its not a big deal. That&#39;s is their job, &#34;to protect and to serve&#34;.

The connector to the Holiday Inn is just that. You end up on city street in less than a few hundred feet and can reach the motel, restaurant, gas pumps, power sports dealer but that&#39;s about it.

kraven700
10-09-2009, 12:53 AM
Hey Mike &#40;eao&#41;

I rec&#39;d that map today, THANKS!!!!

Question, is there an ATV trail , rather can you ride TRAIL 13 &#40;snowmobile trail&#41; from Greenland to Twin Lakes, I&#39;ve always enjoyed that ride on a sled. It&#39;s not shown on the MI-TRALE map.

THANKS again!!

eao
10-09-2009, 07:31 AM
I have no idea about that snowmobile trail and weather its passable in the off-season.

As a general rule though, snowmobile trails are off-limits to ATV&#39;s and you travel at your own risk &#40;trespassing, dead ends etc&#41;.

Maybe someone in the area has more information on it.

skip_schulz
10-09-2009, 04:49 PM
No you cannot ride that trail. It is ALL on Private Property. Mi-TRALE has an excellent relationship with the Superior Snowmobile Club and that is one of the trails that they had the most concern with.

Mi-TRALE has signs near that trail letting people know that it is not open to any ATV&#39;s.

Sorry...

Glad you like our map. Thankyou for getting it.

Skip

uncle_ed
10-09-2009, 05:01 PM
I dont believe you can legally ride an ATV on a snowmobile trail during the summer unless its marked. I havent read otherwise but again not sure.
DNR FAQ (http://midnr.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/MiDNR.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_sid=gl8Lz_Jj&amp;p_lva=&amp;p_faqid=1553&amp;p_c reated=1028910421&amp;p_sp=cF9zcmNoPTEmcF9ncmlkc29ydD0 mcF9yb3dfY250PTEzJnBfc2VhcmNoX3RleHQ9JnBfcHJvZF9sd mwxPTEyMiZwX3Byb2RfbHZsMj1_YW55fiZwX3BhZ2U9MQ&#42;&#42;&amp;p_ li=)

kraven700
10-09-2009, 09:19 PM
Mike/eao, skip, uncle ed,

THANX for all of the help.

Is there any chance that they&#39;re considering opening up that trail to ATV&#39;S in the foresee-able future??????/

kraven700
10-11-2009, 02:07 PM
Hey Mike &#40;eao&#41;

I think you mentioned something about &#34;street legal&#34; to cross the bridge w/o police escort.

What are the requirements for a POLARIS RZR to make it &#34;street legal&#34;???

Thanx

eao
10-11-2009, 02:31 PM
Fyi - Here is a link to Michigan ATV guide. While it does not address this issue it answers a lot of questions and do and don&#39;t etc.

ORV Guide (http://www.michigan.gov/documents/ORVguide_95964_7.pdf)

I do not know exactly what all you would have to do to make it street legal in Michigan. It would cost a lot of $$ to make the conversion.

This is just a few that I have been told need to be done. List not inclusive

DOT approved tires&#40;wheels too&#41; oem tires are not DOT
windshield
directional signals
illuminated license plate holder
outside rear view mirror
windshield wipers/washers

Then I assume you would have to pass a state inspection.

kraven700
10-11-2009, 07:11 PM
Mike,

Gotcha, I just thought it was something like the equivalent of motorcycle plates,

THANX again

skip_schulz
10-12-2009, 10:51 AM
Mike,

You don&#39;t need to be Street Legal to get the Police Escort over the Portage Lift Bridge.

Right now Mi-TRALE is working on many miles of connector trails with the Ottawa NF. This is going to take a lot of our volunteer work, and I&#39;m sorry to say but that is our main priority through this winter and next year.

Once those connectors are constructed and signed, then our membership will decide as to what other areas to &#39;target&#39; for new trail development. The members may decide that the trail you are talking about is something to approach the landowners.

Our big concern is that we don&#39;t want to have any negative impact on our excellent relationship with the Superior Snowmobile Club.

Take care and COME UP to ride!

Skip

kraven700
10-12-2009, 01:25 PM
Skip Schulz,

I understand that being street legal was not a requirement for crossing the bridge WITH a police escort. I just thought that in case we couldn&#39;t meet the schedule &#40;only 3 times a day&#41; and if it were not too much money and hassle &#40;as it turns out to be&#41; that way we&#39;d be able to cross the bridge @ anytime &#40;within reasonable daylight hours&#41;, that&#39;s all.

Thanx for the feedback, I appreciate it.

hemicoupe
10-12-2009, 06:39 PM
I think the problem would be getting &#34;TO&#34; the bridge from the BN trail &#34;safely&#34; with out the police escort. I don&#39;t think the people living in those condos are going to put up with all the ATV traffic along the canal there. Maybe some one could open a business &#40;MM Powersports?? or Everts Motor sales ??&#41; with a 4 or 6 place trailer to haul orvs across the bridge &#40;like a TAXI service&#41; or even a ferry service? When I ride north of the bridge I trailer to Hancock and go from there. For now all a person can do is just plan the rides so they get to the end of the trail by the bridge and call for an escort at 9:15 AM 1:15 PM and 6:15PM and hope they have time to get you across. Mi-Trale has an excellent map that has all the ATVs trails marked that are legal. Skip spends a lot of time getting these trails opened for everyone to enjoy. We need to stay off the snowmobile trails that are not designated orv/atv trails so we don&#39;t move backwards.

Kraven700, You can camp/motel at Bruce Crossing and do a different trail everyday,Houghton, Iron River, Sidnaw, White Pine, etc. We did 650 miles in 3 days this year&#40;and last year&#41; from there and we have a blast. You can do all the riding till your hearts content....

kraven700
10-13-2009, 03:24 AM
Hemi Coupe,

Thanx for the feedback, regarding your last paragraph with the reference to 650 miles, did you ride in different directions each day &#40;approx 200-220 miles per day&#41; and always return back to Bruce&#39;Crossing every night? Was that on ATV&#39;S or SxS&#39;s??

Just was trying to kinda duplicate the &#34;back pack &#34; trip we do on sleds from Northern Wisc to Copper &amp; back, 520 miles, 3 1/2 days.

BTW, what kind of Hemi Coupe??

hemicoupe
10-13-2009, 05:52 PM
Yes, One day you can do the trails to Houghton,the next day do the IRM trail and so on. The NICE thing about staying in Bruce Crossing is that you can eat breakfast there,ride all day and after you&#39;re done riding you can take a shower every night at the campground. There are many places to eat along the way. We ride ATVs but you could do it in a side by side with no problem &#40;the &#34;P&#34; trail might be a little muddy tho!&#41;. Last year we back packed it from my place outside of L&#39;Anse and set up base in Bruce Crossing but it&#39;s a little tricky getting through that way. Hopefully in a few years there will be a way to get from Sidnaw to Big Bay?? You&#39;re welcome to join MI-TRALE and ride the required trails to get the &#34;CP2R&#34; award &#40;see map for details&#41;. The more members they have the better chance there are of getting more trails opened. Skip has been doing a fantastic job. Without him we wouldn&#39;t have all the trails to ride. Come join and be a member!

Hemi Coupe is a 1941 plymouth 2 door coupe with a 1955 Chrysler &#34;300&#34; 331 cu. in. HEMI with about 700 miles new, not rebuilt! Just a few modern ad ons!! &#40;click on profile&#41;

kraven700
10-13-2009, 08:35 PM
Dan,

Sweet ride. Where did you find that old style hemi with only 700 miles???

My Dad had a 1952 Dodge Coronet 2 door coupe&#40;that he purchased brand new, still have the original sales invoice and title&#41; Flathead 6, some kinda funky trans that was mostly automatic but had a clutch, &#40;for use w/reverse&#41; and under acceleration you had to let of the throttle a little, wait for a solenoid like click, then continue, hydro-matic or fluid drive, something like that.

Any how, thanks for the info and I might be interested in joining, what would be required?

hemicoupe
10-13-2009, 09:20 PM
It had 0 miles when I got it! I bought the coupe, then my buddy Dave said he knew where I could get a hemi and the rest is history. I&#39;ve been working on it for 12 years off and on. This is the first time the motor was ever installed. I just got the car on the road this summer. Still have a few things to do on it yet but at least it&#39;s drivable!! That&#39;s where the miles came from.

As for joining MI-TRALE go to www.mi-trale.org (http://www.mi-trale.org) and you will get the info you need. Maybe see you on one of their rides next summer?

kraven700
10-13-2009, 09:31 PM
Dan,

Neat deal, sounds like you&#39;re enjoying it, Congratulations!

skip_schulz
10-23-2009, 12:23 PM
Dan thanks for the kind words, but I don&#39;t do all that you say, Mi-TRALE does it.

kraven700, Dan is one of the many FANTASTIC members that Mi-TRALE has. If you ever get a chance you should hook up with him and ride.

Just be ready to put on some miles. I could never ride the miles that Dan does. Then again, that is why he is the ONLY person to EVER get the CP2R Award for two straight years. Plus he is only one of 6 people to ever get that award.

kraven700
10-23-2009, 06:55 PM
Skip,

I just may hook up with Dan on a ride, riding is what I&#39;m all about.

Anything less than a 200 mile day on a sled and I feel like I&#39;ve left something on the table. Seriously.

skip_schulz
10-25-2009, 10:22 PM
kraven700, I can put 200 miles on a snowmobile, but to put on the miles that Dan put&#39;s on an ATV...well, no way.

I could do it in a Ranger, but Dan does it on a conventional ATV.

Next summer, Mi-TRALE will have many more miles of NEW ATV Trails, then more will be added in 2011.

Love to have you come up and ride!

Skip

hemicoupe
10-25-2009, 11:36 PM
Skip,kraven700, Dave and I are already planning on going for the &#34;CP2R&#34; next year. Would be a 4 day weekend,just have to come up with a date yet. We&#39;ve been doing annual U.P. trips for 7 years now. The first 4 years have been Hancock to Copper harbor and back trips. The last 3 years have been on the Mi-Trale trails. All trips are multi days and tenting! When we first started we&#39;d have 8-10 guys but when they seen how many miles we ride we lost a few LOL!!! Few years ago we were setting up tents at 12:30AM at Emily lake. Did you ever stop on the firesteel tressles at 11:30 at night and look up at the stars in total darkness? Pretty hard to beat it.
I ride a 03 grizzly with 7,700 miles on it now,it has independent suspension. Makes the ride a lot nicer. I switched with my son on our trip from Rockland to Houghton and back to Rockland this summer and I rode the Honda recon.... He didn&#39;t want to give griz back! The straight axles really give you a work out on those long trips.
kraven700, maybe when we figure out a date &#40;Aug./Sept.&#41;you can tag along? Maybe even get you a &#34;CP2R award&#34;????? Where are you located? How about going up for the club rides on weekends during the summer?
Skip, I still need to get that picture taken yet.

kraven700
10-26-2009, 08:07 PM
Dan,

Hey thanks for the offer to tag along, I would be VERY interested in doing so. I live about 1/2 hour outside of Chicago, &#40;the land of drive by shootings&#41;

We usually drive to Manitowish Waters, then ride up to Copper from there.

I&#39;d be intersted in a weekend club ride as well, please keep me posted.

Thanks

skip_schulz
10-27-2009, 09:41 PM
Dan,

That is AMAZING. I have always wanted to try a Night ride, but can&#39;t find anyone to ride with me. I think it would be neat!
We&#39;ll be putting our club ride schedule together this coming Spring.
Would you be interested in putting together a schedule and dates for club rides?
Let me know.

Skip

hemicoupe
10-27-2009, 11:11 PM
Skip, Give me a couple weeks to think about it. I&#39;m thinking maybe a weekend &#40;Friday night to Sunday afternoon&#41; camp out at Bruce Crossing could get a good chunk out of the &#34;CP2R&#34; trails with a night ride saturday night. Would be nice to get a few more people getting the award. I think it is easier then people think. You really don&#39;t have to do it in 3 days. If you want to take your time, do a trail a weekend. Even for people not wanting to get the award, get out and use the trails. That&#39;s why they are there.

skip_schulz
10-29-2009, 12:17 AM
Dan,

You hit the nail right on the head. We set up the monthly Mi-TRALE rides so that if a person rode every ride, they would accomplish the requirements of getting the CP2R Award.

We always talked about trying a night ride, but to be honest with you, no one was interested &#40;but me&#41;, so I dropped that idea.

I have so many legislative issues on my plate, along with finding out &#40;again&#41; on the many miles of new trails in the Ottawa, that I simply do not have the time to focus on the club rides.

With what you have done, and how you have got new people to go for the CP2R Award, you would be great to take charge of the Mi-TRALE club rides.

A great example is your communication with Dave &#40;kraven&#41;. It would be fantastic to hear about you and kraven getting together for a ride. Sounds like he may be one of the few people that could actually put on the miles that you do.

I will be gone for a while, and not on the internet, so if you don&#39;t see a response from me, you&#39;ll know why.