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Hoosier
07-23-2010, 05:37 PM
We rode in the West once - a few years back - and stayed at the Turpin Meadow Lodge, which is 8 miles by trail from the Togwotee Lodge. That's the only area I know. We had such a great time I don't even know if I'd consider going anywhere else, but what are the other choices available for riding in the mountains? I could name a few but don't know anything about them. We would like to go out again possible this year or more likely next and would like to do the trip as cheaply as possible, however we will be renting sleds (don't think it's worth it to extend our 121" sleds for a 4-5 day trip) and it seems like a guide is a necessity, at least with our experience level. There will likely be three of us, and we will likely drive from the greater Chicagoland area and ride for 4 days and drive back. Would like to go someplace where 3 guys can drive to in 18-20 hours (say leave after work, drive through the night and get there in the early evening the next day). We don't mind taking shortcuts on lodging or food, or stay someplace where we need to drive a short distance in the car each day to get to the snow if some money can be saved, but don't want to sacrifice on the riding experience. Perhaps the all inclusive packages at Turpin or Togwotee can't be beat, but I'm interested in everyone's thoughts.

snowho96
07-24-2010, 12:45 PM
Went out to tog 2 years ago and stayed at heart 6 guest ranch. It was cheaper than the other 2 but still offered rentals and guides.Couldn't ride from door but was only 1 or 2 mile drive to where the sleds were parked. We had are own sleds , so i don't know the cost for rentals.
Last year went to bear lodge in the big horns. they offer rentals and guides and have a hotel ,cabins and duplexes. The lodging was very reasonable and conditions were great. You ride right from the lodge here.
I have went to the snowys before and stayed in centennial. I know rentals are availible, just not shure of the buisnesses names.Here you have to trailer a little ways to be close to the best snow. Getting gas on the mountain can also be a problem so you have to plan ahead. The snowys are the closest and probably the cheapest place to go.
I would go back to all 3, but bear lodge is my favorite right now.

nitroman
07-29-2010, 07:53 PM
Albany lodge in the Snowies rents and you can ride from there. Rentals are about $200 a day though if you got enough people you can rent the red house for 300 a night.

amazza76
07-30-2010, 01:56 PM
My in-laws have a cabin in Southern Utah near Brian Head Ski Resort. We have an absolute blast every time we ride there. There is all kinds of lodging and Thunder Mountain rentals seem fair to deal with..(they service my father-in-laws machines)

http://www.brianheadthunder.com/index.aspx

polarisrider1
07-30-2010, 07:15 PM
Pros and Cons? That is tough to do. Every place has something for someone. I could care less about taking pics or riding trails. I guess those places would be cons to me. Riding within minutes from your room without trailering with a "True" off trail guide to me is a major plus. Gas, good food and a back up plan is a plus. It all depends on what you want. Your Pros can be someone elses cons. Tough question. To some the cost is a con. It is a vacation after all and you get what you pay for in the western riding scene. It is how well you can turn a con into a pro that matters.

frnash
07-30-2010, 10:04 PM
Sleep in a tent in a nearby campground and stay warm share your tent with a bear!

Firecatguy
07-31-2010, 09:42 AM
Pros and Cons? That is tough to do. Every place has something for someone. I could care less about taking pics or riding trails. I guess those places would be cons to me. Riding within minutes from your room without trailering with a "True" off trail guide to me is a major plus. Gas, good food and a back up plan is a plus. It all depends on what you want. Your Pros can be someone elses cons. Tough question. To some the cost is a con. It is a vacation after all and you get what you pay for in the western riding scene. It is how well you can turn a con into a pro that matters.

very well said..........I agree 100%......

cuzzinolaf
08-04-2010, 10:29 PM
I have never had a guide and have always had a blast. Some say it is a must and I will say I disagree. Not that I don't mind having one but if I can do a trip for less than half without a guide I'm all in for an additional trip. We figured it out and can do a COMPLETE trip to the Snowies for under $450... gas for truck and sleds, cabin, food, etc.

polarisrider1
08-05-2010, 12:16 AM
I have never had a guide and have always had a blast. Some say it is a must and I will say I disagree. Not that I don't mind having one but if I can do a trip for less than half without a guide I'm all in for an additional trip. We figured it out and can do a COMPLETE trip to the Snowies for under $450... gas for truck and sleds, cabin, food, etc.

Cuzz, both you and I know that you would have a blast on a snow pile in the middle of a plowed parking lot. That's how you roll and that's great. But I will get you on a guided trip with Say........ Carter. and you would have a whole different view. You get what you pay for. The problem with the $450 trip is it takes me 2 days truck travel each way to ride sleds for 3 days, that is a con for me. If I ever get you guys to Togwotee ,Smurfrider and I will pay for the guide. It is like the NAPA commercial says, "Get the good stuff". and that's why I believe in a guide. If "wintertime" didn't take you and I into his "backyard" to play at the JD ride in, I would not of had a clue where to start in the Keewenaw. I do stand on my post of 7-30-10 as a pretty good answer.

Firecatguy
08-05-2010, 01:48 AM
Cuzz, both you and I know that you would have a blast on a snow pile in the middle of a plowed parking lot. That's how you roll and that's great. But I will get you on a guided trip with Say........ Carter. and you would have a whole different view. You get what you pay for. The problem with the $450 trip is it takes me 2 days truck travel each way to ride sleds for 3 days, that is a con for me. If I ever get you guys to Togwotee ,Smurfrider and I will pay for the guide. It is like the NAPA commercial says, "Get the good stuff". and that's why I believe in a guide. If "wintertime" didn't take you and I into his "backyard" to play at the JD ride in, I would not of had a clue where to start in the Keewenaw. I do stand on my post of 7-30-10 as a pretty good answer.

he dont know what he is missing........carter for President!!!!!!

cuzzinolaf
08-05-2010, 08:58 AM
Beginners!

Firecatguy
08-05-2010, 09:04 AM
Beginners!

man you have a great opportunity i think Wayne said he would pay.......I will go Wayne if Keith dont.....LOL

polarisrider1
08-05-2010, 11:54 AM
man you have a great opportunity i think Wayne said he would pay.......I will go Wayne if Keith dont.....LOL

I think he thinks that a "Guide" is more like the guides you get on a bus trip to Disney land. Far from it. I find it a ton more fun if you are not worried about getting lost. The guides are trained in servival, first aid,etc. and know the areas very well. I will pay for Keith. (His bride won't release him the money!) lol. Well, I am off to get 4 more stamps in my HD Passport, gotta run!

cuzzinolaf
08-05-2010, 02:04 PM
I am not saying a having a guide wouldn't be great. I know it takes away from the stress of finding good places to play, safety, etc. I know because I'm usually the one out front.

I am saying that it isn't a must to have a good time. We have never had a problem finding awesome riding and untracked snow without a guide.

fgsacts
08-05-2010, 05:16 PM
How many times are you guys going to have this debate?

cuzzinolaf
08-05-2010, 05:19 PM
How many times are you guys going to have this debate?

46 more times

frnash
08-05-2010, 05:23 PM
46 more times
Ohh, a count! Where's indy? :D

Skylar
08-05-2010, 09:31 PM
I have never had a guide and have always had a blast. Some say it is a must and I will say I disagree. Not that I don't mind having one but if I can do a trip for less than half without a guide I'm all in for an additional trip. We figured it out and can do a COMPLETE trip to the Snowies for under $450... gas for truck and sleds, cabin, food, etc.

Cuzz, how many people is that based on?

cuzzinolaf
08-05-2010, 09:35 PM
Cuzz, how many people is that based on?

It is an estimate... but based on 4.

These are Andy's figures in a recent email about our Snowies trip.

$150.00 travel fuel (2000 miles/10 miles per gal = 200 gal x $3.00/gal = $600/4 = $150.00)
$150.00 lodging ($120/night + tax = $150.00? x 4 nights = $600/4 people per cabin = $150.00 each)
$ 50.00 food (meals in, and budgeted)
$ 90.00 sled fuel (10 gal/day x $3.00/gal x 3 days = $90.00)

Skylar
08-05-2010, 09:40 PM
Where do you guys leave from, mapquest has me at 1059 miles one way. As long as I don't have to take my truck, 7-8 mpg towing, my gas estimates are about the same as yours.

polarisrider1
08-06-2010, 12:08 AM
How many times are you guys going to have this debate?

at least 46 more times, Like Cuzz said! :) I think Cuzz is bucking for a compliment on how well he "Guided" us around Mass City. I do give him credit for getting my entourage the VIP room at Henry's.

Firecatguy
08-06-2010, 12:13 AM
at least 46 more times, Like Cuzz said! :) I think Cuzz is bucking for a compliment on how well he "Guided" us around Mass City. I do give him credit for getting my entourage the VIP room at Henry's.

their is a vip room at Henry's......old sally didnt tell us about that....LOL

nitroman
08-06-2010, 12:41 AM
Google Earth and my Garmin GPSMap60 that's all the guide I need. People never believe us when we tell them we ride till we are at a 1/2 tank then pull out the GPS and figure out where the truck is!

polarisrider1
08-06-2010, 12:45 AM
their is a vip room at Henry's......old sally didnt tell us about that....LOL

Well there is and Sally had a ball taking care of us! Now I am getting hungry !

polarisrider1
08-06-2010, 12:50 AM
Google Earth and my Garmin GPSMap60 that's all the guide I need. People never believe us when we tell them we ride till we are at a 1/2 tank then pull out the GPS and figure out where the truck is!

Until the battery goes dead. been there. The point is your on Vacation. why add stress to it? if it works for you fine. I just want to enjoy. my Lowrance works fine and the guide can use it to his hearts content. Why? cuzz I am on Vacation and not here to work.

Hoosier
08-06-2010, 09:52 AM
It is an estimate... but based on 4.

These are Andy's figures in a recent email about our Snowies trip.

$150.00 travel fuel (2000 miles/10 miles per gal = 200 gal x $3.00/gal = $600/4 = $150.00)
$150.00 lodging ($120/night + tax = $150.00? x 4 nights = $600/4 people per cabin = $150.00 each)
$ 50.00 food (meals in, and budgeted)
$ 90.00 sled fuel (10 gal/day x $3.00/gal x 3 days = $90.00)

Where do you stay in the snowies?

Professor PC
08-06-2010, 11:53 AM
CUZZ and FGS we gotta ride out dare together dudes....HOOSIERSMIT i have guided and just rode out west for about 15 years or more now and heres some pro and cons i know of....one if you take your own sled you will have a better time in and around the BITTERROOT RANGE when you launch outta LOLO HOT SPRINGS MONTANA RESORT.....a short tracker can go all over that area just fine and its step and deep as well with a good amount of trails with switchbacks and 3000 foot inclines to run down at 100mph.....you can access IDAHO too up at LOLO PASS.....many hidden areas and technicle stuff thats not been all marked up and is untouched....

then theres ISLAND PARK....you can take your short tracker there too but you start to find areas that you need a 2" paddle track but it can be done with some finesse....little steeper and deeper but in this area avalance increases greatly and i would study the terrain and avalanche warnings thouroughly before getting there.....lots o fields to run in and some sweet ravine climbs.....

YELLOWSTONE.....we used to ride to WILD BILL HICKOCKS hunting shack at night on the other side and spend the night there....going through SYLVANS PASS is the bomb....army dudes launch mortars before you go through....nothing like explosions anouncing LARUE'S LOGGERS coming through....great area as long as you just skirt the parks boundaries....many fileds and jumps and rivers to blast across along with huge hills steep and deep like LIONS HEAD and all those....marked up alot...people ever where so we perfer nightime but its super risky with animals and blizzards....

i know alot more places and will give ya da run down when i get time but theres a couple o places to consider....the FORT AT LOLO and casino and people are tops in my book.....thats number one dude....look it up....ill take ya's if ya wants.....yo BROTHER BREEZE.....here he is outside o LOLO heading up on the highway to LOLOPASS....this is what im a talking about

http://lolohotsprings.com/winter.htm

http://www.johndee.com/vbulletin/attachment.php?attachmentid=9584&d=1281106341

cuzzinolaf
08-06-2010, 12:18 PM
Where do you stay in the snowies?

Mountain Meadow Cabins...

techsledder
08-06-2010, 12:47 PM
If I ever get you guys to Togwotee ,Smurfrider and I will pay for the guide.

Ummm, sold! See you in March! :)

Firecatguy
08-07-2010, 10:28 AM
its like beer....you never know if you like it TILL YOU TRY IT!!!!I cant believe i commented on this subject as its a dead horse some will some wont....all i can say is do your self a favor find a guide sometime and at best get a LOCAL to take you out.......then call me and tell me how you dont like it....bwhahhhahahah

Professor PC
08-07-2010, 03:57 PM
YO HOOSIER.....do you like hillclimbing or racing around? there are different kinds of western sledding....hill climbing you go down the trail slowly and when you see a huge incline to the left or right you either skid sideways on trail....which the other side usually has a 3000 foot drop off your doing this on the edge of.....and WOT up the wall and onto the incline dodgeing trees and jumping humps till you get to the next fire road....you then gotta decide to jump up on road and stop....or.....WOT and jump that road and on up another level......level after level.....or you get to the switchback and just go straight on up at that corner whilst the trail does a 180 and continues downward.......or

you can race up and down switchbacks at blazzing speeds with a cliff off of either elbow while doing 70MPH towards a 180 switchback....did i mention that sometimes there is only enough room for a goat or to hug the wall and traverse the cliff on top of a house sized overhang.....then you spot a ravine relatively tree free and you go up it while going up and down each side of ravine while climbing or decending.....those are really cool....you can be climbing a ravine for 5000 feet while going WOT as you go up the steep side you do 50....then you go 45 degrees and are going down the ravine face while climbing doing 100MPH....what a rush.....each side of the ravine you can highmark trees at the top and turn down again.....ITS A FREAKIN BLAST....so i dont get what FIRECATGUY is saying about callin em and tellin em it wasnt no fun


there is so much to do out west its not even funny.....just remember this ONE ADVICE HOOSIER.....its 101 out west....

NEVER...EVER....GO BELOW THE LAST FIREROAD

.....its usually a 1000 foot drop off into a river......YIKES....

Firecatguy
08-07-2010, 04:27 PM
and all I ment was try a guide and when the day is done please call me a let me know what you thought.......

were did you get your guide permits from?

Professor PC
08-09-2010, 04:37 PM
um FIRECATGUY....you do know that in that pic you jumped about 5 levels of fireroads and or 1 or 2 trails to get to that pic spot right? we all know fireroads have switchbacks on them...so yes....fireroads and trails....what do you call these my man....they are covered with snow at certain times otay...and yes....they are fun as well as BOONDOCKING IT

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/40/92540996_f6cf9c8bd6.jpg

http://images.travelpod.com/users/roamingmonk/roamingmonk.1225904520.switchback-mountain.jpg


heres 2 levels in this view

http://members.shaw.ca/JimGailTravel/yuk04.JPG

were not sure why he would call you and say.....per yer post...

"then call me and tell me how you dont like it....bwhahhhahahah "

these are called SNOWMOBILE TRAILS....they are at the staging areas and usually are about 100 miles in length located in an area where trail riding and fireroads and BOONDOCKING can be done....they are in EVERY WESTERN STATE.....so we still dont get it dude

http://www.yellowstonetownhouses.com/wy_map.gif


they can be found in PDF's

http://abc.eznettools.net/ipcabins/snowmobilingpictures/Island_Park_Snowmobile_Trails_3MB.pdf

so YA.....TRAILS....they are out west incase ya didnt know

Firecatguy
08-09-2010, 08:16 PM
we dont do trails out west...longest trail i ever been on was going out of cooke...but good for you!!!!!!

I dont drive 18hrs to ride trails......we go average 5 times a year..........

you said you guided out west 15 years...were????were the guide permit out of...


this is fun.....

Professor PC
08-10-2010, 11:38 AM
we dont do trails out west...longest trail i ever been on was going out of cooke...but good for you!!!!!!

I dont drive 18hrs to ride trails......we go average 5 times a year..........

you said you guided out west 15 years...were????were the guide permit out of...


this is fun.....

oh ya....lets say you launch outta LOLO PASS RANGER STATION...tell us then what you use to get to the paly areas beyond SKOOKUM BUTTE then....is it a trail system....do you use the trail system to get to the trail ares?

Professor PC
08-10-2010, 12:03 PM
we dont do trails out west...longest trail i ever been on was going out of cooke...but good for you!!!!!!

I dont drive 18hrs to ride trails......we go average 5 times a year..........

you said you guided out west 15 years...were????were the guide permit out of...


this is fun.....

permit outta? you know me dude.....heres some names....RED ADAIRS buddy, BUSTER.....FABCRAFT.....SLEDHEAD MAGAZINE and project sleds featured......BRETT RASMUSSON(sp?)....DON STOEN....SHAWN....all the boys know me.....the crazy facker

polarisrider1
08-10-2010, 06:11 PM
Ummm, sold! See you in March! :)

Now wait a minute................. "Guys" was aimed at Cuzzinolaf and Fgsacts. I owe them a guide because of adventures that they have lead me on in the past. (Mass City and Sturgis SD).

techsledder
08-11-2010, 05:38 PM
Now wait a minute................. "Guys" was aimed at Cuzzinolaf and Fgsacts. I owe them a guide because of adventures that they have lead me on in the past. (Mass City and Sturgis SD).

Can't blame a sled head for trying... :D

polarisrider1
08-14-2010, 12:19 AM
Can't blame a sled head for trying... :D

lol :)

fgsacts
08-16-2010, 12:37 PM
Now wait a minute................. "Guys" was aimed at Cuzzinolaf and Fgsacts. I owe them a guide because of adventures that they have lead me on in the past. (Mass City and Sturgis SD).

Let's see what happens this spring Wayne. I would be more than happy to pitch in for a guide. Never used one before but all you guys and TRD talk so highly of Carter I had to put riding with him on my bucket list, lol.

polarisrider1
08-16-2010, 09:23 PM
Good! Andy we got a plan under way. Let's plan for Hill Climb week and stay at Tog. I can get us a pretty good pkg. deal for that time. Looks like I am going to be on the old iron again this year. (Just bought one of my kids a Kawasaki Ninja 650R. 09 carry over.) I probable will do Mom's Motorsports Semi trip for Hill climb week. Rick and Jacob Mom are really good people.

Firecatguy
08-16-2010, 11:01 PM
Good! Andy we got a plan under way. Let's plan for Hill Climb week and stay at Tog. I can get us a pretty good pkg. deal for that time. Looks like I am going to be on the old iron again this year. (Just bought one of my kids a Kawasaki Ninja 650R. 09 carry over.) I probable will do Mom's Motorsports Semi trip for Hill climb week. Rick and Jacob Mom are really good people.

hmmmmmmm.........

polarisrider1
08-16-2010, 11:24 PM
I am also serious about going to Ten Mile (west side of Snowies) April 3-8th. The best riding is late season. Days are longer, prices are better and not so cold. Tog. before Christmas has always been good except last yr. but days are short.

Professor PC
08-19-2010, 02:23 PM
heres goin up off a onea those there FIREROADS and or TRAILS they dont have

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKrc9vK9B24

heres jumpin up a level

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lfHBQPoSJRc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FyygCAfCUr4

Professor PC
08-19-2010, 02:26 PM
trails look like this.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch#!v=2GXofRwpu68&feature=related

Firecatguy
08-20-2010, 10:23 AM
cool man....so you ride with Rasmussen????dont you got some pics of you two riding that would be awesome to do!!!!!!

yep those are some nice trails there!!!!!I would never guessed they could be so nice......






is this you??????
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5eHT2_DFJT8&feature=channel

I smell something very very fishy here!!!!!!!all this cuz I said try a guide......

polarisrider1
08-20-2010, 10:26 PM
firecatguy, I am starting to think that Prof PC is that 15 yr. old that was giving Indy500 so much grief last yr. posing is his business and business is good! Prof Pc. what's up with the videos?

Firecatguy
08-20-2010, 10:53 PM
firecatguy, I am starting to think that Prof PC is that 15 yr. old that was giving Indy500 so much grief last yr. posing is his business and business is good! Prof Pc. what's up with the videos? zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz. I did put aluminum foil on my cell phone antenna like you said, and now I get Cleveland, Ohio in just fine!

yep i have same feeling!!!I spent little time today looking back at his post and yes he sure does like to stir stuff up....most the post are name calling and subtle bashing.....

yep the one pic he posted with the HMK sled is a shot from Revy area and Ive seen it before on sw


..tell us more how you ride in Sylvan's pass!!!!what town do you ride out of to get to that place???were your pics??

Professor PC
08-23-2010, 06:06 PM
yes this is me

http://www.youtube.com/watch#!v=HkvS8w-W7x4&feature=related

and i dont ride with em you do....but we do ride with the same peeps and areas at different times...but what i want to know is....

is CHICKEN HAWK still alive? BUSTER? anyone seen SHAWN BETTORS? he like disappeared off the face of the earth when he left to go build a house....and the last time i saw BRETT was playin round towards the LACHSA LODGE (sp?) at nightime when he was testing out THE PUDDY TAT or of em them thar sleds they used to feature on SLEDHEADS MAG...i foget which sled he was testin out....BTW....i found you guys jump ya built in da woods back over dare by da ranger station on LOLO PASS....i think it was up by GRANITE ROAD and FISH CREEK road....that pic i posted is of someone on FISH CREEK ROAD outsida FORT LOLO dude

Firecatguy
08-23-2010, 07:10 PM
What????

polarisrider1
08-23-2010, 09:09 PM
lol. crack kills. Looks like this topic has been done for a while.

cuzzinolaf
08-23-2010, 09:53 PM
He forgot to pass....

Professor PC
08-24-2010, 11:33 AM
so lets get back to the original thread and comparisions now that FIRECATGUY has been schooled about his area's trails and fireroads....go have a drink with CHICKEN HAWK dude and tell em i said hi !!! and quit tryin ta pick apart everyones advice and tales....they are different from yours....otay....deal with it

SYLVAN's PASS.....ya.....rode out of WEST YELLOWSTONE into the park....when it was legal and 2 strokes and night riding was ok....all the way across the park to PAHASKA TEEPEE

http://www.pahaska.com/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pahaska_Tepee

MICHIGAN SNOWMOBILIER MAGAZINE was doing a story on YELLOWSTONE and i took reporter NORTHWINDS CHARLIE on a tour with LARUE'S LOGGERS and IST SNOWMOBILE TOURS all around YELLOWSTONE and overnite to PAHASKA TEEPEE...what a blast going throught the parks at nite....animals all over the road....blinding blizzard....sideways winds....8 foot drifts in pass on narrow road with drop off on low side of drifts...rode till 4 am or so....hot tub...gamblin'....we were the last of the tour groups to be on our own...after that it all changed....i think it was like 1998....i'll see if i can find the story NORTHWINDS CHARLIE wrote about us....god bless his soul....he was awesome

Firecatguy
08-24-2010, 11:56 AM
dude no one picked apart your post....this was about guide or not and comparisons from ther!!!!!!you came at me with your smart azz comments and i question your authenticity!!!and as far as Im concernd YOUR STILL TALKING OUT YOUR AZZ!!!

no one here understands a word you are saying!!!

and i dont know you DUDE or any one you ride with and you have yet to SCHOOL me on chit.......

Firecatguy
08-24-2010, 11:57 AM
and you said you guided out west I ask you were?and were your permits are out of??and you have not told us were??and those pics you posted.....seen em on SW and just dont think they are your pics......thats why i pulled the B.S card out!!!

I think anyone going west for first time would benefit from a guide!!!I hear your views and yes if you stay near the trails you should have no problem!!!!!and west Yellowstone has tons of trails so does the Togwotee area!!!!!you will love it plenty of views and you can ride to the Continental divide!!!

IMO.......

cuzzinolaf
08-24-2010, 11:58 AM
thats trail riding and it is also GUIDED TRAIL RIDING period!!!!!!!

Trail riding is a lot safer and better than off-trail riding. LEAVE TRAIL RIDERS ALONE!

Firecatguy
08-24-2010, 12:00 PM
Trail riding is a lot safer and better than off-trail riding. LEAVE TRAIL RIDERS ALONE!

hehe you got me before I deleted it........hahaha

polarisrider1
08-24-2010, 06:36 PM
hehe you got me before I deleted it........hahaha

Don't ya just hate when that happens! ;)

carter
08-26-2010, 01:58 PM
Do I dare get into this?

polarisrider1
08-26-2010, 05:44 PM
Carter, your opinion is much welcome! Don't let any of them get your padding in a bunch or even stretch your carpet! lol. (tileguy humor).

carter
08-26-2010, 10:15 PM
Riding and learning about many different areas is important. Finding ones favorite place comes from all this. Turbo trips, cheap trips, peanut butter and jelly trips, prime rib trips, GUIDED trips and we don't need no stinking guide trips, all have a common thread, and that is riding.....Some guys can do many and some can do only one out west. Its how you see it. My first year in the mountains as a tourist I saw the absolute value in having a guide. Jerry Bell taught me all about the primo ride in the primo area and we never got farther than 5 miles from the lodge. With my head up my rear I would not ride anyplace but Tog. Then I did and the mistake was mine. Two great riding areas 2 hrs. so of Jackson and oh my god what a great place to see and ride. You guys have seen way more areas than I and all this helps Firecat guy say "guided or I'm not going", Cuss staying on trails, Wayne falling in love with the concept of guided and safe and guides doing the worrying and so on. The sport benefits. We all need to remember that variety is the thing. I can't imagine doing a trail ride. I live in the mountains. I can't imagine living in the flat country and not trail riding cuz riding is what it is all about. Stop pounding on each other.... we all love this thing and can't get enough. I will tell you this, when you can go deep and never loose your way and never fear about returning and never fear about gas and know in your heart that in a blinding snow storm in 2 feet of fresh snow you WILL be back for happy hour has a value. To all of you who support me and ride with me and I with you, I salute you. It can't snow soon enough. Jackson Hole 88degrees today...

Firecatguy
08-26-2010, 10:59 PM
no MR CARTER I salute you!!!!thank you for all you have shared!!!best times hands down!!!!just like a kid in Disney world!!!!funny thing is so are you when we are riding!!!!LOL

strokeit
08-27-2010, 12:08 AM
:)

doospunk
08-27-2010, 12:37 AM
Riding and learning about many different areas is important. Finding ones favorite place comes from all this. Turbo trips, cheap trips, peanut butter and jelly trips, prime rib trips, GUIDED trips and we don't need no stinking guide trips, all have a common thread, and that is riding.....Some guys can do many and some can do only one out west. Its how you see it. My first year in the mountains as a tourist I saw the absolute value in having a guide. Jerry Bell taught me all about the primo ride in the primo area and we never got farther than 5 miles from the lodge. With my head up my rear I would not ride anyplace but Tog. Then I did and the mistake was mine. Two great riding areas 2 hrs. so of Jackson and oh my god what a great place to see and ride. You guys have seen way more areas than I and all this helps Firecat guy say "guided or I'm not going", Cuss staying on trails, Wayne falling in love with the concept of guided and safe and guides doing the worrying and so on. The sport benefits. We all need to remember that variety is the thing. I can't imagine doing a trail ride. I live in the mountains. I can't imagine living in the flat country and not trail riding cuz riding is what it is all about. Stop pounding on each other.... we all love this thing and can't get enough. I will tell you this, when you can go deep and never loose your way and never fear about returning and never fear about gasr and know in your heart that in a blinding snow storm in 2 feet of fresh snow you WILL be back for happy hour has a value. To all of you who support me and ride with me and I with you, I salute you. It can't snow soon enough. Jackson Hole 88degrees today...

Nicely put Carter! Didn't have the chance to meet or ride with you on our trip to Tog. We were hitched up with Nate. Great time and experience all around. I wouldn't hesitate to connect with you or one of your counterparts out there again to guide us!

techsledder
08-27-2010, 01:10 PM
Two great riding areas 2 hrs. so of Jackson and oh my god what a great place to see and ride....

1) Are you speaking of Afton?!! I've seen some dude's footage from BCR on that area and it looks like heaven too!


Jackson Hole 88degrees today...

2) Ditto on the 80*+ weather... This flat lander is done with it, and bring on the white deep snow!

polarisrider1
08-27-2010, 02:41 PM
no MR CARTER I salute you!!!!thank you for all you have shared!!!best times hands down!!!!just like a kid in Disney world!!!!funny thing is so are you when we are riding!!!!LOL

Your absolutely right about Carter. He's as happy as pigs in **** when he is out riding. Disney world at its finest! Carter, I always think about that tumble you took late last year and the sled recovery the next day. I call that place the "The don't know, I won't go" hill. You know I was the hold out on that one. Great memories.

carter
08-27-2010, 04:13 PM
Tech, its actually so. of Afton. Think about doing a sidehill for as long as you can hold it. I mean it... your belt goes soft first and loss of power drops you before the hill runs out. places there at least 1 mile or more on the side...Its decieving because you have to travel 18 miles in before the fun starts. Its one of the reasons I balked at going there for so long. "Why do I need to ride 18 miles on a trail?" My buddies cuffed me to the truck and away we went. Got there rode the 18 miles and was stunned at what I was looking at. Now the thing that buggs me is I can't get you guys there. Tog. permits don't work there and to have you leave Tog. to ride there 1 day is 2 1/2 hrs. drive one way. And I can't legally guide. But yeah, what a place. Then there is another 30 min. so of Jackson. On a blue bird day oh man... Wayne, don't let one fall get you down,... LOL First chance I get I'm back there to reclaim that hill. I'm bringing ski brakes...LOL Just so you know it goes from 77 to 65 tomorrow to rain all day sunday with SNOW above 9000 ft. Thats right SNOW...Tell you more later...

techsledder
08-27-2010, 05:28 PM
I'm bringing ski brakes...LOL

By the way, your use/explination of the ski brake was an "aha moment" for me while riding out there with ya. One damn good idea! A set WILL be going in the tunnel bag next season. Yet another reason to set yourself up with a GREAT guide out West, the things you can learn are priceless.

carter
08-27-2010, 06:19 PM
Now that you caught it, lets work on something. i have a set of plastic chain brakes. They are lite as can be and fit in a backpack. The loops are 1/4 in plastic and 1 1/2 in. long. 18 loops are a good length. Use a metal spare chain link with a screw in to connect the 2 ends. Now the problem, I'm not sure its the right thickness of plastic. I've used them 1 time as a test and I'm not sure they created enough drag. Tried to find a thicker plastic and a bit bigger loop and failed. Then went on line and found plastic chain but thicker means almost $1.00 per link. Or $36 for a set plus links and shipping. Not good enough. Considering a used belt is already paid for. You are the engineer, got any Ideas? last resort can be a belt brake. What else is there?

polarisrider1
08-28-2010, 05:49 AM
Only problem with" don't know" was we needed ten sets of ski brakes to do it.

Professor PC
08-28-2010, 01:01 PM
ya i know CARTER....i was just coming back at em for saying i was 16 and trying to fish me out and see if it was BS.....didnt work....plus i dont use the trails but to get to the play areas same as ya'll do....i was meerly suggesting in the PROS and CONS comparisions thread that there are different things fun to do out west than just climbing hills all day long....which is fun too....so are switchbacks at full speed into a 180 degree turn with a 2000' ledge on one side for pucker effects....and FIRECATGUY.....i can and have done the ISLAND PARK AREA....YELLOWSTONE...BITTERROOT RANGE....LOLO MONTANA....IDAHO......those pics are not of me but from that area to show the dude how deep it can be and smooth on the fish creek fire road i was talking about is fun that noone does.....i would have to go home and scan some of my pics from tours to post here, but i assure you, your not the only one capable of riding like that in those areas....tag...your it....no bashing here CARTER just pointing out different stuff to do out west....evidently he gets sore about DIAMOND POUNDING.....you go CUZZINOLAF....pound away dude

carter
08-28-2010, 01:34 PM
He doesn't get sore, its just that the whole world wants to pick fights and no one wants to listen and everybody's opinion is the only opinion. If we can all share in our passions for this sport on this link then its one safe place to come to. You can see by Pat's blogs he rides other places. He found a very special kind of riding at Togwotee, and he is good at it. Wants everybody to share in that be it personal or on the web. Good for him and all of you doing that. Save snomobiling and all its special juice, no matter where you ride, leave the other stuff on TV. Now, it just snrained or hailed and rained and covered the lawn. Almost went and got my ride out...LOL

Skylar
08-28-2010, 08:18 PM
Riding and learning about many different areas is important. Finding ones favorite place comes from all this. Turbo trips, cheap trips, peanut butter and jelly trips, prime rib trips, GUIDED trips and we don't need no stinking guide trips, all have a common thread, and that is riding.....Some guys can do many and some can do only one out west. Its how you see it. My first year in the mountains as a tourist I saw the absolute value in having a guide. Jerry Bell taught me all about the primo ride in the primo area and we never got farther than 5 miles from the lodge. With my head up my rear I would not ride anyplace but Tog. Then I did and the mistake was mine. Two great riding areas 2 hrs. so of Jackson and oh my god what a great place to see and ride. You guys have seen way more areas than I and all this helps Firecat guy say "guided or I'm not going", Cuss staying on trails, Wayne falling in love with the concept of guided and safe and guides doing the worrying and so on. The sport benefits. We all need to remember that variety is the thing. I can't imagine doing a trail ride. I live in the mountains. I can't imagine living in the flat country and not trail riding cuz riding is what it is all about. Stop pounding on each other.... we all love this thing and can't get enough. I will tell you this, when you can go deep and never loose your way and never fear about returning and never fear about gas and know in your heart that in a blinding snow storm in 2 feet of fresh snow you WILL be back for happy hour has a value. To all of you who support me and ride with me and I with you, I salute you. It can't snow soon enough. Jackson Hole 88degrees today...

Very well put Carter!

polarisrider1
08-29-2010, 12:16 PM
Carter for president! Ya know we love ya man!

techsledder
08-30-2010, 12:56 PM
Now that you caught it, lets work on something. i have a set of plastic chain brakes. They are lite as can be and fit in a backpack. The loops are 1/4 in plastic and 1 1/2 in. long. 18 loops are a good length. Use a metal spare chain link with a screw in to connect the 2 ends. Now the problem, I'm not sure its the right thickness of plastic. I've used them 1 time as a test and I'm not sure they created enough drag. Tried to find a thicker plastic and a bit bigger loop and failed. Then went on line and found plastic chain but thicker means almost $1.00 per link. Or $36 for a set plus links and shipping. Not good enough. Considering a used belt is already paid for. You are the engineer, got any Ideas? last resort can be a belt brake. What else is there?
I'll look for some other solutions. What size links was the metal chain?

cuzzinolaf
08-30-2010, 12:59 PM
We're gonna check out what the hype is all about this season in April. We'll figure out dates and book. Can we make sure we get you as our Guide, Carter?

carter
08-30-2010, 05:09 PM
Yes to the guide thing. There is a big but........ Togwotee Lodge closes in early April. Usually around the 3rd or 4th. Last season we closed Mar. 23rd due to low snow and conditions. How does that fit in an April trip. Also, last season it snowed 7ft. in April after we closed. Do you come and stay in town and drive up every day? If you make it to TOG> I'll make it happen.

cuzzinolaf
08-30-2010, 05:12 PM
Yes to the guide thing. There is a big but........ Togwotee Lodge closes in early April. Usually around the 3rd or 4th. Last season we closed Mar. 23rd due to low snow and conditions. How does that fit in an April trip. Also, last season it snowed 7ft. in April after we closed. Do you come and stay in town and drive up every day? If you make it to TOG> I'll make it happen.

We might have to make it late March or that first weekend of April then.... Let me talk to my crew and see what is up. Worst case we trailer up or stay down at Lava if the lodge has closed. If I do this I really want the whole package so we'll see.

fgsacts
08-30-2010, 08:04 PM
"I really want the whole package" Is that code for something you're not telling us about Cuzz?

cuzzinolaf
08-30-2010, 08:34 PM
"I really want the whole package" Is that code for something you're not telling us about Cuzz?

I'll leave that one alone...

Skylar
08-30-2010, 10:16 PM
I'll leave that one alone...

Wow, talk about a thread getting sidetracked! LOL.

Firecatguy
08-30-2010, 11:03 PM
Hey carter i told Keith he had to wear a blindfold if you bring him into Carter creek.....LOL

got that pic this weekend we were talking about.....had discusion this weekend about coming in summer on bikes.....Robbie says you might know your way around on one them too....LOL

carter
08-31-2010, 01:07 AM
You know that I do. Hey, Skylar is right, we took this thread in the wrong direction. Pat build a new thread. Togwotee Talk, or west riding talk or pic a name. Might as well get pumped for haydays.

XFIRE1
10-17-2010, 11:00 AM
Cuzz, both you and I know that you would have a blast on a snow pile in the middle of a plowed parking lot. That's how you roll and that's great. But I will get you on a guided trip with Say........ Carter. and you would have a whole different view. You get what you pay for. The problem with the $450 trip is it takes me 2 days truck travel each way to ride sleds for 3 days, that is a con for me. If I ever get you guys to Togwotee ,Smurfrider and I will pay for the guide. It is like the NAPA commercial says, "Get the good stuff". and that's why I believe in a guide.
If "wintertime" didn't take you and I into his "backyard" to play at the JD ride in, I would not of had a clue where to start in the Keewenaw. I do stand on my post of 7-30-10 as a pretty good answer.

I don't get some credit for showing you some fresh and keeping you out of the mud wayne??

polarisrider1
10-17-2010, 08:34 PM
I don't get some credit for showing you some fresh and keeping you out of the mud wayne??

Your right! I had to do some thinking about that one.

chfwildhair
11-18-2010, 02:18 PM
I've got alot of friends that have gone to Beaver Creek Lodge in Logan Canyon, Utah. I have been there many times!! Anyways, I think it's a place worth checking into! The customer service is awesome. Excellent riding area. Personally, I think it's just as good as Tog if not better some think. They only have 11 rooms that they rent out. You will want to get your reservations in quick they do book up. I was at Beaver Creek Lodge and there was a group from Canada. They went to Revelstoke. Anyways, they were a great group and I've kept in contact with them. They are going to Beaver Creek again in 2011. They like it more than revelstoke. Less people is a real plus!! If you want to hear anymore let me know.