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Polarice
01-25-2011, 07:33 PM
I've been contemplating getting a longer track sled. I have a 2010 IQ Shift with the stock .92 track and 1.07 studs. It doesn't do that well in deep snow. I'm trying to get around buying a different sled.

What would you recommend? What size lug? Studs on a short track with deep lug for good trail riding?

Any info would be appreciated J'Deer's!

indy_500
01-25-2011, 07:37 PM
1.325 cobra with 1.5 studs on the 121 i'm thinking would be good on the shift. Depends on how much off-trail riding u do.

Polarice
01-25-2011, 07:43 PM
1.325 cobra with 1.5 studs on the 121 i'm thinking would be good on the shift. Depends on how much off-trail riding u do.

Not a ton of off trail. I don't like getting stuck when I do though lol!

xc700LP
01-25-2011, 07:51 PM
121"x 1.75" no studs works good on trail and off rp7x ran one on his pro x for a couple years

Polarice
01-25-2011, 08:03 PM
121"x 1.75" no studs works good on trail and off rp7x ran one on his pro x for a couple years

Will a 1.75 fit on this sled? How much does one of these cost roughly?

How does that handle around corners and what size carbides should be used?

Thanks

ezra
01-25-2011, 08:09 PM
once you go 136 you will be asking your self why have I been buying toy sleds my whole life.I think on trail a 136 tracks better no fish tail kinda. stuff spans bumps and ruts better.hooks up off the line better just all around better as far as turning you can hardly tell the diff after a day on a 136 getting back on a 121 blows.for more trail than off I ran a 136 1.50 challenger with studs for 2 yrs on a zr and it was fine on and off trail the rip saw I had was junk off trail but great on was happy I did challenger on that sled.

jprdave
01-25-2011, 08:14 PM
My last 121 was a 06 Mxz 600. Swapped the stocker for a 1 1/2" camo challenger and never looked back. My buddies were all riding Rmk's at the time, I never had any problem going where they went.(Average snowfall for NW WI). Had to be a little more careful about cooling the slides on hardpack. My experience is that lug height does way more than length. I could routinely run circles around 144"x1.25 switchbacks. IMO 1.25 is a waste of money. Go big or go home!!

willey
01-25-2011, 08:16 PM
Go with a 1-1/2 or 1-3/4" No studs needed. Just adjust your riding style and you should be fine. Went from a 136" studded track to 151 this year and I will never go back.

indy_500
01-25-2011, 08:17 PM
You can get cobras and ripsaws for under $400 brand new, a 1.75 brand new is gonna run you at least $500 since they aren't that popular.

scottd
01-25-2011, 08:35 PM
My experience is that lug height does way more than length.

I agree, my experience has been that lug height is more important than track length. Unfortunately for those wanting a "do it all" sled the deeper the lugs go the less trail friendly the sled becomes (eat hyfax quicker, bad on ice, etc....) with the trade-off being that it goes better off trail.

Polarice
01-25-2011, 09:43 PM
Next question is; where do I find the best deal on the higher lug track?

This year I just don't have the heart to buy a new sled. Maybe next year ;)

xc700LP
01-25-2011, 09:50 PM
I agree, my experience has been that lug height is more important than track length. Unfortunately for those wanting a "do it all" sled the deeper the lugs go the less trail friendly the sled becomes (eat hyfax quicker, bad on ice, etc....) with the trade-off being that it goes better off trail.

I ran a 136"x2" on trail and off for the last 5 seasons and never had a problem with excessive hyfax wear just add a extra set of bogey wheels or scratchers if you get a 121"x 1.5" or 1.75". Paddle tracks run great on hard pack especially if your get a hard compound track the really hook up

xc700LP
01-25-2011, 09:51 PM
Next question is; where do I find the best deal on the higher lug track?

This year I just don't have the heart to buy a new sled. Maybe next year ;)

www.tracksusa.com

Polarice
01-25-2011, 10:07 PM
It looks like for about $500 I can get a 1.75" 121 x 15 track for the IQ. Does that seem unreasonable?

I was looking at Ken's Sports in WI and also Track USA but I think I have to call Track USA for prices.

indy_500
01-25-2011, 10:14 PM
Kens sports has tons of tracks, bought a ripsaw and hacksaw from there this fall. It was fun climbing around in their warehouses for the exact hacksaw I wanted for my dads sled, fully clipped open windows etc. Pretty good dealer, never had them do service though. mine was just 1/3 clipped and every 3rd window closed since that exact model was $340 vs. $360 for the fully clipped open windows. But, I do not know what pricing they will give you. For the hacksaw, We told them we saw them at haydays but didn't want to carry around the track due to the haydays screwups, and their pricing was 340 at haydays, but he actually priced it at 315 before tax I think because it took us an hour to find the right track.

Polarice
01-26-2011, 06:38 PM
I decided to buy the 1.352" Cobra. I ordered it from Ken's Sports for $417 with shipping. I can't wait to put this thing on. I don't plan to put studs in it.

rp7x
01-26-2011, 07:28 PM
don't get to excited

Polarice
01-26-2011, 07:50 PM
don't get to excited

I'm sure that it'll be a night and day difference from the .92 stock track with 96 studs in the center.

indy_500
01-26-2011, 07:51 PM
don't get to excited

I think he'll be impressed with it, from what i read your mostly a trail rider that takes an occasional off-trail spin? sorta like me, and for what I do, I don't need much more than what I got on my sled now (1.25 ripsaw)

indy_500
01-26-2011, 07:52 PM
Also, the stock tracks are just straight paddles with no design or patterns really. Cobra actually has special patterns for better trail performance.

Polarice
01-26-2011, 08:09 PM
I think he'll be impressed with it, from what i read your mostly a trail rider that takes an occasional off-trail spin? sorta like me, and for what I do, I don't need much more than what I got on my sled now (1.25 ripsaw)

You are correct. Seasonal roads with deep powder are very nice, but I can do that with the stock track. I just dont want to get stuck going down an old two track that has 3 feet of powder on it!

indy_500
01-26-2011, 08:15 PM
You are correct. Seasonal roads with deep powder are very nice, but I can do that with the stock track. I just dont want to get stuck going down an old two track that has 3 feet of powder on it!

I think the cobra will be just perfect, you can still probably get a good amount of cash for your old one. guessing 200-250.

lenny
01-26-2011, 08:16 PM
biggest difference will be the experience of the rider. I have a friend that will run the woods with an 03 RX1 and do well. 3-4 years back he bought a x fire and is the hero now. It's really all about the nads people. Unless you jump from a 121 trail sled to at least a 136 paddle it's not that noticeable off trail. The footprint and pliability of the rubber track is most important to me.

I had a friend that extended a 121 doo to a 136 1.5 paddle and he still sucked riding, always had to dig the boy out.

If your changing tracks regardless than why not bit the bullet and go for the longer track with a larger bit, ext kit ain't all that much cash. A 136 is good for trail also. I threw the 141 cat power claw track on my sled and that track is plain crazy, best money I ever spent. I'm not suggesting that for your application but now what a bit that thing has, it just digs and pulls

Polarice
01-26-2011, 08:21 PM
I think the cobra will be just perfect, you can still probably get a good amount of cash for your old one. guessing 200-250.

Man I have over $300 just in the studs! That track has only like 1000 miles on it with 96 gold digger studs. I'm just going to keep it for possible ice fishing in the future.

rp7x
01-26-2011, 08:37 PM
big lugs = lots of tracsion ,sorry but i think you are waistin time and money , studs on fire roads do nothing , it is hard to do both

rp7x
01-26-2011, 08:51 PM
you shoud realy look on snow west and find a 144 x 2" from a switch back would be easy swap then you would have a real cross over sled

indy_500
01-26-2011, 08:51 PM
Man I have over $300 just in the studs! That track has only like 1000 miles on it with 96 gold digger studs. I'm just going to keep it for possible ice fishing in the future.

forgot about studs, you could possibly get your money back to get the cobra paid for. SLap 350 on er and put it on CL. Just might get 320 if that satisfies you.

Polarice
01-26-2011, 08:57 PM
big lugs = lots of tracsion ,sorry but i think you are waistin time and money , studs on fire roads do nothing , it is hard to do both

I see your point. I'm sure that this will be an improvement. If I decide to go all out (possibly next year) I'll buy the 2011 or later switchback assualt.

willey
01-26-2011, 09:08 PM
X2 RP7x. Paddle it and ride it!

indy_500
01-26-2011, 09:12 PM
The track he's getting is almost 1/2" bigger, i'd say that's a pretty big upgrade in pow. Especially with a better pow pattern.

Polarice
01-26-2011, 09:16 PM
I won't let you guys get me down :p

indy_500
01-26-2011, 09:18 PM
just think, the difference between 1.25 and 1.75 is huge, same diff as his old vs. new track. If he thinks it ain't enough, he'll go bigger next year. If he goes too big, he might regret it.

xfiredude
01-26-2011, 09:27 PM
Throw it on, pin it. If you dont like it, sell it. Either way have fun.

rsvectordude
01-26-2011, 09:27 PM
That track will suit you just fine. It made a world of difference on my Yamaha. I would only go with a big lug if i was riding off trail all the time. They suck big time on the trails pushing like trucks in the corners and are way slower on top end. If you ride mostly trails with some time off trail you made the right purchase!

tom_s
01-26-2011, 11:58 PM
I think everyone has made great point's on this topic. If your serious about buying a new sled next year, you should just go with the bigger lug. I went from a 121 - 136 and love it. They cost is going to be much more going the 136. Getting the longer track means getting longer carbides, Because you will push through the corner's with your stock carbides. Rail's and runner's and suspension tweeks. You will most likely not like you first ride on a longer track and have to do a some tweeking, maybe limiter strap adjustment. spring adjustment. everything will change streching it out.

Now buying a new sled with a longer track you will have minor adjustment's with the suspension, to your personal prefrence.

Good luck

willey
01-27-2011, 09:31 PM
Long tracks for Life!

tom_s
01-27-2011, 10:05 PM
Long tracks for Life!

Totally agree, for our style of riding, but in his case is occasional off trail. Plus the thought of buying a new sled next year, Make it an easy fix for now.

timner
01-28-2011, 11:13 AM
This was a 121x2 trench monster. Granted the video was used more as a marketing demonstration for SnoBungee, you still get the point. 136" length with 1.5-1.75" paddle is bare minimum for off-trail and also works well for seat sliding.

Has anyone ever gone from a 136 to a 121 because it was too long?? Just something to think about....

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Polarice
01-28-2011, 12:37 PM
I kind of like this one;)

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