did poo 800's ever get straightened out?

[snake]

thanks in advance! I know they had issues,but did poo 800 get better after say like 2009? would like to get an 800,but not if improvements were not made!

[polarisrider1]

thanks in advance! I know they had issues,but did poo 800 get better after say like 2009? would like to get an 800,but not if improvements were not made!They sure did! No issues on elevens or twelves. Break it in per manufacturers specs and I run mine at 8300 rpm peak on and off. Holding together fine. Haven't heard of any problems from any other Poo owners with the newer two injector motors.

[kraven700]

thanks in advance! I know they had issues,but did poo 800 get better after say like 2009? would like to get an 800,but not if improvements were not made!

Although the 2011, 2012 800's are better due to longer cylinder skirts (for increased piston support) and improved fuel mapping, INDY Dan still predicts piston future failures for the newer 800's due to a short connecting rod issue.

heck out his thread and solution that he offers on SnoWest:
http://www.snowestonline.com/forum/showthread.php?t=304283

[700classic]

Awful pricey solution!

[ezra]

call some rental operations out west ask them about it.they will give you the low down on fleet averages.

[polarisrider1]

call some rental operations out west ask them about it.they will give you the low down on fleet averages.Great idea. I asked at Cooke City this year and they said no issues

[snobinge]

The rental fleets that had 2011 RMK 8's will not tell you "no issues". At least a popular one in WY. It seems as if the 12's may be doing better than the 11's, but with the low snow early this season the true story will be late season as more miles are put on. I hope they work out because everything I hear is the chasis is great!

[mspease]

Slightly off topic, sorry, but I'm curious what is the most common rental sled out West?

[polarisrider1]

Slightly off topic, sorry, but I'm curious what is the most common rental sled out West?depends on the area. Mix of everything. I suspect Poo then Doo.

[kraven700]

thanks in advance! I know they had issues,but did poo 800 get better after say like 2009? would like to get an 800,but not if improvements were not made!

Click on the link below that has actual pics posted of a 2011 800 grenaded;

http://www.snowestonline.com/forum/showthread.php?t=302221

[mspease]

What's your point? If one goes bad that means they all are? You could say that about any motor out there. Heck, Ski Doo is replacing many of the 800 eTech pistons from 2011 once you reach a certain mileage, does that mean they are all bad? I don't think so. I would be more interested in how the 2012's are performing, which I haven't heard many issues about, which I know I would. It seems Polaris is held to a higher standard and you hear so much more when they have an issue? If Polaris was replacing pistons on many of their 800's as Ski Doo is, you would never hear the end of it? I've heard very little talk about that problem with Ski Doo. Double standard? You decide.

By the way, didn't see any pic's on your link, did I miss something? Maybe you have to be an authorized Snowest member?

[salmonbum]

I have heard of quite a few 11 and 12 Poo 800's going down out west.

[polarisrider1]

I have heard of quite a few 11 and 12 Poo 800's going down out west.I am out west and West Yelowstone Polaris says different. Revkev has a 2011and mine is a 12. We each have 1300 miles on ours running around 8000 RPM for the most part. No issues. Mtn. Mayhem and IP Rental fleet says no issues. Give me sources so your hearsay is valid. Any one in hear having legit issues on 11or12 800 poo motor?

[kraven700]

What's your point? If one goes bad that means they all are? You could say that about any motor out there. Heck, Ski Doo is replacing many of the 800 eTech pistons from 2011 once you reach a certain mileage, does that mean they are all bad? I don't think so. I would be more interested in how the 2012's are performing, which I haven't heard many issues about, which I know I would. It seems Polaris is held to a higher standard and you hear so much more when they have an issue? If Polaris was replacing pistons on many of their 800's as Ski Doo is, you would never hear the end of it? I've heard very little talk about that problem with Ski Doo. Double standard? You decide.

By the way, didn't see any pic's on your link, did I miss something? Maybe you have to be an authorized Snowest member?

Yes you do have to be a paid member to view the pics.

Wasn't sayin' or comparing the POLARIS 800 to the Ski-Doo as that was not the O/P's question.

If you view the POLARIS Pro-Ride section, there are more than just a couple 2011-2012 800 owners with piston issues. The Western riders seem to have more miles on than most, perhaps that explains some of it.

INDY Dan runs a reputable company, very well respected, sees more 800's torn down than most anyone else, and he offers that facts and an explanation that makes sense, so it appears the problem still exists, although to a lesser degree than prior years

For the record, I've purchased 14+ BRAND NEW Polaris sleds/RZR's/Jet Ski's over the years.

Currently own (2) POLARIS sleds, (1) RZR, (1) SEA-DOO jet-ski

IF I Snowcheck a 2013, I'd get the E-X-T-E-N-D-E-D warranty, that's for sure.

Just forwarding the facts to answer the O/P's question, that's all

[raceinsnow]

I have almost 2000 miles on my 12 switch 800 and I have had NO problems with my sled,no stumble,no hiccups.I was concerned about this motor also but its running great and uses less oil then my buddy's new e-tek800.

[polarisrider1]

I have almost 2000 miles on my 12 switch 800 and I have had NO problems with my sled,no stumble,no hiccups.I was concerned about this motor also but its running great and uses less oil then my buddy's new e-tek800.I was pretty concerned about how little oil my Poo is using. Easily half of what other poos I've owned.

[salmonbum]

Yes, polarisrider1, you are out west and ride WFO at 8000 rpm for 23 miles straight up to 11,000 ft. I know, I know. You are the durability tester for Poo. I have seen your pics, you look pretty hardcore.

I will say it again, "I have heard of quite a few 11 and 12 Poo 800's going down out west". The reason for my statement, because its true. I have no reason to make this stuff up. Many of my riding buddies have poos or their close riding buddy’s doo. What do you want from me, their phone numbers? You can call steamboat power sports and ask them. If they tell you the truth, I’m not sure. Since they are a dealer and want to sell sleds, they may not be forthcoming on the motors reliability issues, same as a Doo dealer tells you they don’t blow belts (LIE).

Did you know that back before the new RMK chassis came out that Poo completely re staffed their motor department with guys from their “other” motor division, because they we sick of having the 4 injector 800 blow up and wanted to try to fix it?

Bottom line is the RMK is a great chassis, the motor is not. Its low on power and lacks reliability when really put to the wood. The 12’s are better, but they still go down. If I honestly believed that the motor was holding together, I would have one in my garage. The chassis, in the mountains is better than my XP. With that, Cat motors for this season have been going down as well, doo had a piston recall on the 2011 800 ETec’s that were at elevation….. they all suck.

[polarisrider1]

Currently have one of those who lost their job at Poo riding with us. His father was at Poo thirty years and got axed in the motor division. Not their faults, engineering made huge mistakes. They ride 08 800's. One broke a steering post yesterday. Any ways hurt feelings pumps a lot of negativity. I will do some more torture testing since if I can melt it down I have all summer to put it back together.

[polarisrider1]

Salmonbum, no need to get so defensive with me. I am just reporting what I am finding out first hand. I will post Poo Issues immediately. I also owned skidoo and will not be biased towards Poo. It would be nice to hear from Skylar on what he thinks about his sled. We also have an M8 guy who rented a Poo on this trip and said he will ride it the balance of the week and give us his review.

[snobinge]

I was out at Tog the first week of Feb. Our guide, who by the way sang praises about the RMK, gave us the facts about their 2011 fleet. The motors were less than reliable to say the least. At that time the 2012 fleet did not have enough time/miles to make any assumptions on the 2012 reliability. I can say it sounded like the 2012's were holding up well at that point. I will tell you that one guy in our group rented an M8 for half the trip and an RMK 800 for the other half. He much preferred the RMK! We also had the previous M chasis, Revs, and XP's in our group. The RMK's were the winners up drag race hill. I say this with my tail between my legs because I am a Doo guy, but it is the facts. Just like the 2011 RMK 800's had a lot of burn downs at Tog. All brands have issues...trust me I am on an 07 REV 800R! ;) I just wanted to offer relevant information from a reliable source on the question the OP posted.

[ezra]

a few guys selling a fix for the non issues
http://www.2strokeheads.com/Polaris800DropIn.htm
http://www.pmspolaris.com/thefix.htm

[Trees4Traction440]

2011 Poo had a few Injector issues that caused failure im told...on Hardcore sledder guys with the '12 rave about power and reliability. from '11 to '12 they changed injectors and also some different porting. Upping the HP a bit. Polaris didnt say anything about that hoping all the issues were solved. I have a '12 800 and love it..everyones that has rode it gets off with a smile. Power is great and oil consumption is even better. I wouldnt be afraid of a '11 or a '12 at all. BTW mines for sale if anyones looking for a 800 144x2

[thebreeze]

They seem better, but IMO the issue has not been fully remedied. One of my good friends dropped a cylinder/piston skirt on '11 pro RMK. Punched a hole in the case, and destroyed the motor. There are others I have seen on snowest with VERY similar issues.

However, the motor runs well when running, and the chassis is incredible. It would be my choice of sled as long as I had warranty, but I am an expert at voiding those...lol

[grub]

Rode with 2012 Pro R 800. Not the same sled as an RMK or Assault but same motor. As far as power is concerned I would say that Pol has caught up to a point. They are still not heads and shoulders over anybody on power. As far as blowing up nobody from around here got enough miles on to really address that issue. Pol has spent a lot of time on the 800's. It wasn't that many years ago when they didn't even sell that many 8's. But now the industry has changed. Everyone is selling more 800s so Pol has to step up. It appears they are trying.

[ezra]

I would buy one but only with a 5yr ext warranty and would sell in 4 no matter what.
quit a few guys on snow west still busting skirts off the jugs around that 1500 to 2k mark.spendy dice to roll if your jugs are next.
if I owned one I would with out question be putting in some of the longer skirt/lighter pistons offerd buy a few of the aftermaket corp out there.
I would look real close at my jug skirts when appart for hair line cracks.
but then my history with poo is one of any thing that can bust will but only on my poo.my bud can buy same sled same day and run for yrs after my poo has been traded in cuz of any thing that can bust did

[polarisrider1]

I would not worry about buying a new Poo 800. Polaris knows they had some major duds and it really hurt the companies pride to lose the number one spot. They want it back with a vengeance. American pride is a hard thing to swallow to our friends to the North.

[kraven700]

Another 2012 800 loses a piston / skirt, new post on SnoWest 3/8/2012

Only 500 miles on the sled

http://www.snowestonline.com/forum/showthread.php?t=305707

To answer the O/P's question, I 'm not convinced that POLARIS got the problem straightened out yet.

[snake]

thanks for all the responses guys!! I am leaning towards the 2012 600=I dont hear of as many issues,and I think its going to do everything that I need it to

[mspease]

snake,

I think you will be very happy with that choice. The 600 has been one of the most reliable motors on snow for many years. I used to have 800's but didn't like all of the belt blowing they did. Unless you do a ton of lake racing and have to beat your buddies across the lake, you will be more than happy with the 600. I'm past having to be first across the lake, in fact, I never cared about that. Best of luck!

[ezra]

I for 1 am still sad with the passing of the 700 class always liked the 700s insurance liked the 700s.
still cant figure out why cat dumped the 700 for a 800 to only get 4extra hp out of it for 3 more yrs.

I will say for 90% of the time a 600 is more than enough for us flatlanders.

[Trees4Traction440]

the new '12 - '13 600 is 135 hp they claim which moved into the 700 class spot!

[salmonbum]

600 is a good motor. Only place it lacks is at elevation. If you ride in mountains, a 600 may not cut it, depending on your riding ability.

[ezra]

the new '12 - '13 600 is 135 hp they claim which moved into the 700 class spot!
is that not what they said about the 09 800 when it droped from 154 to 146? sorry could not resist.
if they are getting 135 out of the new 600 that is impresive. prob a fun flat land boondocker

[Trees4Traction440]

hahha c'mon...making fun of that 09 800 motor is like poking fun at a handicapped kid on the playground! lol

even if real world is 130hp thats impressive....everyone that has a '12 600 RMK motor LOVES them. and now word got out guys on other forums are fighting for leftover or used ones

[kraven700]

Check out this new thread / POLL for 2011 & 2012 800 reliability

http://www.snowestonline.com/forum/showthread.php?t=305803

[mspease]

Another 2012 800 loses a piston / skirt, new post on SnoWest 3/8/2012

Only 500 miles on the sled

http://www.snowestonline.com/forum/showthread.php?t=305707

To answer the O/P's question, I 'm not convinced that POLARIS got the problem straightened out yet.

I question a post like this one you ask us to click on. It's from a guy that says he rides a 2012 Cat and has Cat logos all over his post. Not too credible IMO. I'm not convinced! LOL

[polarisrider1]

If I felt Poo had an issue I would surely report it. In the Poo crowd I know and or ride with no issues on the 11 or 12's pertaining to the motors. I am not impressed with my stock rear bumper and that is it. We did have a voltage regulator on a 10 800 assault go. Dealer had in stock. Lost about an hour with this issue. Thanks again Mtn. Mayhem powersports for staying open until we got there. Dave B. Got a voltage reg. And cpu last year on his 09 or 10 800. I would not worry about the new motors. The 600 is also a screamer for its size.

[prowrench]

If I felt Poo had an issue I would surely report it. In the Poo crowd I know and or ride with no issues on the 11 or 12's pertaining to the motors. I am not impressed with my stock rear bumper and that is it. We did have a voltage regulator on a 10 800 assault go. Dealer had in stock. Lost about an hour with this issue. Thanks again Mtn. Mayhem powersports for staying open until we got there. Dave B. Got a voltage reg. And cpu last year on his 09 or 10 800. I would not worry about the new motors. The 600 is also a screamer for its size.
Good, cuz I am a lookin. Somehat hesitant though since I have all those upgraded parts in my older 800's they should (in theory) keep on running for a long time. Are any of you Assault/RMK guys in the neighborhood of my size 6'5" 250? Kind of concerned about comfort. I'm too tall to stand all the time unless I had about a 18" ape-hanger riser!

[Skylar]

Second day of riding in Tog I developed a mid range hesitation on my new Pro 800. It did not happen all the time, but it was there. After that day I did not have it happen for the rest of the trip. If Houghton Powersports would have had the Pro Rmk 600 on hand the day I was buying, I would have bought the 6 no question. As the new owner of an 8, I hope Poo has them figured out, but I have my doubts, and because of that, I did get the extended warranty. I follow everything on snowest also, so I know of the issues some have had, we will see I guess.

I did get a little time on John's new kitty, I could have bought one of those and been happy also. Great sled!

[kraven700]

I question a post like this one you ask us to click on. It's from a guy that says he rides a 2012 Cat and has Cat logos all over his post. Not too credible IMO. I'm not convinced! LOL

There's a lot of guys on there with multiple post history, not bogus screen names

Along with pics

and Indy Dan

And the 2011-2012 800 breaking parts official poll, lots of facts

Bottom line, 2011 and 2012's 800's are still breaking pistons and cylinder skirts, period!

Certainly you're not suggesting a JFK conspiracy theory............................................ ........

[Polarice]

thanks for all the responses guys!! I am leaning towards the 2012 600=I dont hear of as many issues,and I think its going to do everything that I need it to

I just got a leftover '12 Switch pro r with a 600. I have no desire for anything more. My '10 600 Shift is all I need. If they put a little more in the '12...well that's even better. Not worth it to have the extra bs that comes with an 800. I've drove them and there is a noticeable difference, but not much at all.

[mspease]

There's a lot of guys on there with multiple post history, not bogus screen names

Along with pics

and Indy Dan

And the 2011-2012 800 breaking parts official poll, lots of facts

Bottom line, 2011 and 2012's 800's are still breaking pistons and cylinder skirts, period!

Certainly you're not suggesting a JFK conspiracy theory............................................ ........

Why would this guy say he rides a 2012 Cat, have Cat logos all over his username area, yet post he's riding a Polaris and it just happens to have had a major engine problem at 500 miles? You can't be serious!? I don't doubt they are still having some issues, heck all of the OEM's do, but 93% of the poll respondents are not. And if you think a random poll on Snowest is 100% legitimate, I have some ocean property in Arizona to sell you. :) Have you read nothing good about the engine as you post only negative things over and over again? Are there no good things being said on Snowest you could cut and paste here? Your agenda is very clear to me.

[xc700LP]

Why would this guy say he rides a 2012 Cat, have Cat logos all over his username area, yet post he's riding a Polaris and it just happens to have had a major engine problem at 500 miles? You can't be serious!? I don't doubt they are still having some issues, heck all of the OEM's do, but 93% of the poll respondents are not. And if you think a random poll on Snowest is 100% legitimate, I have some ocean property in Arizona to sell you. :) Have you read nothing good about the engine as you post only negative things over and over again? Are there no good things being said on Snowest you could cut and paste here? Your agenda is very clear to me.

Well said mark
I just snow checked my 2013 pro 800 155

[ezra]

Why would this guy say he rides a 2012 Cat, have Cat logos all over his username area, yet post he's riding a Polaris and it just happens to have had a major engine problem at 500 miles? You can't be serious!? I don't doubt they are still having some issues, heck all of the OEM's do, but 93% of the poll respondents are not. And if you think a random poll on Snowest is 100% legitimate, I have some ocean property in Arizona to sell you. :) Have you read nothing good about the engine as you post only negative things over and over again? Are there no good things being said on Snowest you could cut and paste here? Your agenda is very clear to me.

not to stir the pot but if u read the guys old posts he started the yr with a new cat had the belt thing because of the clutch alinment bar issue sold it was excited about his new pro liked it then had issues this was over a 2.5 mo of posting .and he still ownes a M 1000.
could all be BS but kinda looks like a long time frame of posting just to be able to bash on sno west 3mo later.
yeah I dont have anything better to do than go back and read some guy I dont know and his friends old posts on a 68 degree sat I MISS MY WINTER and am kinda sad and have no desier to go out and enjoy this crappy hot weather

[mspease]

Well said mark
I just snow checked my 2013 pro 800 155

Congrats! Let us know how that belt drive works out, I can't wait for them to put it in a trail sled. Maybe Cat will have to borrow that design too so they can resolve their belt issues!

[mspease]

a new cat had the belt thing because of the clutch alinment bar issue

Tell us about this issue. You sure don't hear much about it on this site, or the reverse thing. I don't visit other snowmobile sites. If it was a Poo, everyone would be posting about it non-stop. Kind of like a Rush Limbaugh vs. Bill Maher thing. Double standard IMO only.

[Skylar]

Tell us about this issue. You sure don't hear much about it on this site, or the reverse thing. I don't visit other snowmobile sites. If it was a Poo, everyone would be posting about it non-stop. Kind of like a Rush Limbaugh vs. Bill Maher thing. Double standard IMO only.

Snowest.com, and BCR are the two best sites for info concerning mountain sleds that are out there. This site is not known for the techical side of things. Lots of problems with all the brands. If I want to know what is going on with a certain model of mountain sled, snowest.com is the place to go.

[mspease]

Thanks Skylar, I will have to check that out. I guess I'm not referring only to mountain sleds. Am I the only one that notices, on this site anyway, that Poo gets blasted quite often, yet you hear nothing about Ski Doo having issues with 800 etech last year and Cat unable to keep belts on some of thier sleds and the reverse doesn't work this year? Maybe it's just me.

[ezra]

Tell us about this issue. You sure don't hear much about it on this site, or the reverse thing. I don't visit other snowmobile sites. If it was a Poo, everyone would be posting about it non-stop. Kind of like a Rush Limbaugh vs. Bill Maher thing. Double standard IMO only.

I guess what happened was belts have been blowing like crazy to the point you could not buy one out west.
guess the prob is the robot that torqued the stud bolts on the clutch alignment bar was not tightening the bolts to the point to set the stud or something like that.so now you are out riding vibrating twisting around,that pulls the stud that extra bit in to its set spot. but now your nut is loose causing more shifting and hole auging making the issue worse.
the reverse thing is some kind of bad thrust washer I guess owners were told not to use reverse until new parts were installed.for the hassle the affected owners were given like 2 more yrs of warranty.
think poo is looked at under a more sceptical eye is track record in the past yrs with the 800 and the way it was handled. and when it the 800went it went hard.
looks like for the most part they are running strong part of the failer rate is just numbers with so many pro out west running you will have isues I am sure persentage wise all 3 are prob real close.
I just know if I bought one next yr with out question the skirt would bust even if it was the only one in the country that failed it would belong to me.

[mspease]

ezra,

Thanks for the great explanation. I was thinking it had something to do with the clutch alignment bar design, but loose bolts will sure do it. Darn robots! I had the first year Poo 4s turbo and there was a reverse problem that involved a washer too. Very easy fix and they gave us a $50 gas card. With the extra warranty, it sounds like Cat is stepping up to the plate and handling it well. Have to admire that!

[russholio]

Thanks Skylar, I will have to check that out. I guess I'm not referring only to mountain sleds. Am I the only one that notices, on this site anyway, that Poo gets blasted quite often, yet you hear nothing about Ski Doo having issues with 800 etech last year and Cat unable to keep belts on some of thier sleds and the reverse doesn't work this year? Maybe it's just me.

It might be just you.....I've seen plenty about Doo's crank issues....and how they bend.....etc

[mspease]

It might be just you.....I've seen plenty about Doo's crank issues....and how they bend.....etc

Ok, I will give you that, but that's from years ago. I was referring to the 800 etech issue and 2012 Cat issues.

[kraven700]

Why would this guy say he rides a 2012 Cat, have Cat logos all over his username area, yet post he's riding a Polaris and it just happens to have had a major engine problem at 500 miles? You can't be serious!? I don't doubt they are still having some issues, heck all of the OEM's do, but 93% of the poll respondents are not. And if you think a random poll on Snowest is 100% legitimate, I have some ocean property in Arizona to sell you. :) Have you read nothing good about the engine as you post only negative things over and over again? Are there no good things being said on Snowest you could cut and paste here? Your agenda is very clear to me.


Are you saying reputable companies like Indy Dan and RKT and MTNTEK are making all this up and selling 800 fix-it kits when no problem actually exists?

My only agenda is to answer the O/P's question and NOT to sugarcoat the facts as to be so brand loyal to in an attempt to cover up a design flaw

Time to get your head out of the sand

[russholio]

Ok, I will give you that, but that's from years ago. I was referring to the 800 etech issue and 2012 Cat issues.

Not necessarily.....though I haven't seen a dedicated thread referring to them in a long time, I've seen them mentioned very recently in threads that were started on a different topic but migrated to other things, as threads so often do. I think the bottom line is, most of us fail to notice, or at least, don't pay much attention, when "other" brands have their issues. But when "our" brand is cast in an unfavorable light, we tend to notice very quickly and it seems as though we're being "picked on". Human nature, I guess.

[snake]

well,I pulled the trigger=I will be riding a 12 600 rmk 144",thanks again for all the responses!!

[indy_500]

Am I the only one that notices, on this site anyway, that Poo gets blasted quite often, yet you hear nothing about Ski Doo having issues with 800 etech last year
I think there's a lot more Poo guys than Doo guys on this site. If you go on HCS and see how many are view Poo & Cat versus Doo, its phenomenal. All the Doo guys stick to DooTalk they don't want to hear what us Poo & Cat guys have to say about their sealed crank bearings :)

[Polarice]

I think there's a lot more Poo guys than Doo guys on this site. If you go on HCS and see how many are view Poo & Cat versus Doo, its phenomenal. All the Doo guys stick to DooTalk they don't want to hear what us Poo & Cat guys have to say about their sealed crank bearings :)

Haha, which is why I won't buy a don't...I mean doo!

To add; poo also sells more sleds than doo. I used to see soooo many doos on the trail. Not any more. I think it changed when poo came out with the rush and assault pro ride.

I'm not trying to brand bash here diehards. I have my reasons why I stick with poo.

[russholio]

All the Doo guys stick to DooTalk they don't want to hear what us Poo & Cat guys have to say about their sealed crank bearings :)

You can say what you want, doesn't bother me a bit.....I got 10062 trouble-free miles on my sealed crank bearings. :)

[ezra]

You can say what you want, doesn't bother me a bit.....I got 10062 trouble-free miles on my sealed crank bearings. :)

has to be a 600 never been a 10k mi 800 in the doo line up dont think many get past 5k

[Trees4Traction440]

well,I pulled the trigger=I will be riding a 12 600 rmk 144",thanks again for all the responses!!

Snake-

U buy one now??

[whitedust]

Haha, which is why I won't buy a don't...I mean doo!

To add; poo also sells more sleds than doo. I used to see soooo many doos on the trail. Not any more. I think it changed when poo came out with the rush and assault pro ride.

I'm not trying to brand bash here diehards. I have my reasons why I stick with poo.

No way doo still #1 by a long shot AC & Poo close #2 nip & tuck with AC new platform selling very well for 2012. WI northwoods more doos than I can count Watersmeet to Lando on a Friday afternoon is all XP yellow going north. Maybe where you live many poos don't know but pro ride was not accepted quickly by the Faithful. From what I see around here doo is the sales leader by like at least 60% & others pick up the remaining 40%. I'm a Yam rider so just saying what I see out there in both WI northwoods & WUPMI.

[indy_500]

No way doo still #1 by a long shot AC & Poo close #2 nip & tuck with AC new platform selling very well for 2012. WI northwoods more doos than I can count Watersmeet to Lando on a Friday afternoon is all XP yellow going north. Maybe where you live many poos don't know but pro ride was not accepted quickly by the Faithful. From what I see around here doo is the sales leader by like at least 60% & others pick up the remaining 40%. I'm a Yam rider so just saying what I see out there in both WI northwoods & WUPMI.
Have read many SOMEWHAT reliable sources saying Poo took over #1 spot. I have no facts or anything to back it up, just telling you what I've heard. Seems XP Yellow likes to stick to trail 3 with their slednecks and monsters stickers and loud cans. Head into eastern western (i know i know LOL) U.P. and the XP Yellow dissapears. All I saw riding the Iron River/Sidnaw/Amasa area was Rush Rush Rush.

[russholio]

has to be a 600 never been a 10k mi 800 in the doo line up dont think many get past 5k

600 SDI. Best sled I've ever owned.


No way doo still #1 by a long shot AC & Poo close #2 nip & tuck with AC new platform selling very well for 2012. WI northwoods more doos than I can count Watersmeet to Lando on a Friday afternoon is all XP yellow going north. Maybe where you live many poos don't know but pro ride was not accepted quickly by the Faithful. From what I see around here doo is the sales leader by like at least 60% & others pick up the remaining 40%. I'm a Yam rider so just saying what I see out there in both WI northwoods & WUPMI.

My observations, too. But I recognize it might be a regional thing. I ride mostly LP & eastern UP. Western UP is closer to AC & Polaris home turf so maybe more of them there. Back when I started riding I saw more AC & Polaris than anything, with Doo coming in third and Yami fourth. Since the Rev came out the Doo numbers increased while AC & Polaris decreased. Yami remained fourth. Please keep in mind this is only my observations of sightings and not sales. It is not scientific and I have no vested interest in what brand I see the most of or the least of and since it is based on my memory, it's no way conclusive of anything.

[mspease]

Whitedust,

What are you basing that on? Ski Doo has never had 60% of the market. I've read lately too where Polaris is very close, if not back, to #1. Don't forget you have to add in mountain sled sales too. 60%? Come on. That leaves 40% for the other 3 and that's way off!

[whitedust]

Not a big deal to me who is #1 really don't care but I see those dang XPs everywhere.lol In the narow Iron River/Sidnaw/Amasa twistys I saw a lot of Cats ideal sled for those narrow trails not so good for me on Yam but l like the area & lack of traffic & ride there often. Mags will say something next Fall about market placement & not sure how they know either $ numbers & unit sales very hush hush hush from OEMs & so much in inventory at dealers too. Poo doing lots better than past years but would be difficult to knock doo out of #1 market slot. If you can find unit sales proving poo #1 I would like to see it. All mags said doo still number #1 in 2011 with 2012 line up.

[whitedust]

Probably not a good thread for these market posts since about poo 800 just saying what I see & read. I'm not a brand specfic rider in anyway meanless less to me I like them all & would buy any brand 4s crossover out there & AC XF has my attention as would an Adventure 4s but does not exist. So if you poo guys want to be #1 in sales ok with me but really don't think so.lol:)

[salmonbum]

I talked to my riding buddy out west Friday and he informed me he was snowchecking a RMK for 2013. Then I talked to him on Sunday, after 2 days of doing more research..... At the 1/3 way point thru the season, he was reading reports that most guys were happy with their 2012 Poo's. But now that the season is well on the downslope and "Real Mountain" riders who put the sled the the test (not trail riders) have put some Hours on them (notice I didn't say miles) and pistion skirts are failing, as well as cyliner sleeves are breaking apart and falling down crankside. He has now decided against buying a POO. This guy is very detailed oriented and knows how to read thru theS on forums. Regardless, it was enought to steer him clear from one. Even if it comes with a 4 yr motor warranty, loosing a weekend of riding from a motor going down isn't worth it to him.

As for Poo being #1, I do see alot more RMK's than I used to out west. But no more than I see AC or DOO's. Asfor here in Michigan, I see 10x the amount of Doos than anything else. I think last weekend in Gaylord I saw 4 Rush's. This is just my observation.

[snake]

yo trees=yep,will be picking it up soon.just like "the bearded ones"!!figure if i ever go west,I'll prob rent.may have to pick your brain on setup=save me some time!!good luck selling yours,nice looking sled

[ezra]

I like them all & would buy any brand 4s crossover out there & AC XF has my attention :)
why the xf for a more trail guy I would be looking at the ext trail sled with the coupled suspension dont think you would be as happy on a non coupled x fire .

[mspease]

Probably not a good thread for these market posts since about poo 800 just saying what I see & read. I'm not a brand specfic rider in anyway meanless less to me I like them all & would buy any brand 4s crossover out there & AC XF has my attention as would an Adventure 4s but does not exist. So if you poo guys want to be #1 in sales ok with me but really don't think so.lol:)

You're the one that brought up the market share topic and made the 60% comment for Doo with no facts! LOL :)

[polarisrider1]

Something to read, http://www.snowmobile.com/manufacturers/ski-doo/2012-snowmobiles-of-the-year-best-of-the-west-1451.html

[whitedust]

You're the one that brought up the market share topic and made the 60% comment for Doo with no facts! LOL :)

Nope..... I did not bring it up I responded to Polarice post on market topic. Same as everybody else this is what I saw on the trail XP after XP & read in mags. Seems to be very important to you that Poo is #1 so ok with me since no way to know. Market placement is interesting to me as a sales & marketing guy. Poo maybe #1 in mountain sleds which is a good thing but I'm interested in trail crossover sleds & what I see on trails in my area & not many pro rides out there or I would have seen them.

[whitedust]

why the xf for a more trail guy I would be looking at the ext trail sled with the coupled suspension dont think you would be as happy on a non coupled x fire .

I'll dig deeper but thought all 2013 Fs were 128 which I don't like with 1100T just don't think track will hook up or bridge bumps well. Never ridden either model so just looking on net.

[polarisrider1]

40% market share. http://sledrumors.com/

[Polarice]

40% market share. http://sledrumors.com/

42% in mountain sleds.

I'd be interested to know where those figures come from.

[polarisrider1]

42% in mountain sleds.

I'd be interested to know where those figures come from.http://sledrumors.com/about/

[Polarice]

That doesn't help.

[fjr4me]

That doesn't help.

I found this information from a little over a year ago. It substantiates the 40% claim for Ski Doo with AC and POO in second place with about 24% each and Yamaha in last place with the balance.

Interesting reading from Powersports Retailers Online. Look at the Industry Overview section.

http://www.dealernews.com/dealernews/Building+Your+Business/2011-snowmobile-sales-expected-to-be-flat/ArticleStandard/Article/detail/705625

[ezra]

That doesn't help.

just go with it the fathfull have been waiting yr after yr after yr after yr after yr after yr after yr after yr and been let down time and time again for the better part of a decade just let them have thear time in the blurry sun.

[Polarice]

just go with it the fathfull have been waiting yr after yr after yr after yr after yr after yr after yr after yr and been let down time and time again for the better part of a decade just let them have thear time in the blurry sun.

Haha nice. I did find something online that said skidoo was on top because it's the oldest snowmobile manufacturer. Goes to show you Internet.

[mspease]

Nope..... I did not bring it up I responded to Polarice post on market topic. Same as everybody else this is what I saw on the trail XP after XP & read in mags. Seems to be very important to you that Poo is #1 so ok with me since no way to know. Market placement is interesting to me as a sales & marketing guy. Poo maybe #1 in mountain sleds which is a good thing but I'm interested in trail crossover sleds & what I see on trails in my area & not many pro rides out there or I would have seen them.

Nope.... Don't care who #1 is, but I'm not going to sit quiet while someone throws a 60% market share out there for Doo. 40% I can believe, but a bit different than 60%, wouldn't you agree?

[timo]

mspease:
settle down dude.
skid doo has the largest makret share get over it already.





Nope.... Don't care who #1 is, but I'm not going to sit quiet while someone throws a 60% market share out there for Doo. 40% I can believe, but a bit different than 60%, wouldn't you agree?

[mspease]

Dude? I didn't think I was that uptight, heck I just said I didn't care who was #1, dude. Sorry to upset you dude.

[Polarice]

skid doo has the largest makret share get over it already.

Facts man. Where is the evidence to this?

I'd rather not listen to a rant from a doo-hard.

[timo]

rant? who's ranting beside you? check out your last four posts and tell me who's ranting. a couple people here have attached links and all you say it "show me the facts". read them. I think if we dropped the facts on your head you wouldn't beleive it anyway. what am i even doing on this thread? i'm a "doo-hard". good bye.

[russholio]

If a Ski-Doo aficionado is a "doo-hard", does that make a Polaris aficionado a "poo-hard"? :confused:

[timo]

FACTS:
Polarice, if you would of taken the time to read the link that fjr4me posted you would of not be wasting everyones time.
Scroll down to the 4th BRP paragraph. The first sentence states "Ski Doo is the maket share leader in the snow segment.
Is this good enought now?








Facts man. Where is the evidence to this?



I'd rather not listen to a rant from a doo-hard.

[xyooper]

If a Ski-Doo aficionado is a "doo-hard", does that make a Polaris aficionado a "poo-hard"? :confused:

And if a yami aficinado, does that make a y-am-i hard?

[russholio]

And if a yami aficinado, does that make a y-am-i hard?

D'oh! :D

[polarisrider1]

What was the question? Oh....... YES. ninety posts to answer this one, and we wonder why the Chinese are kicking our butts. Poo Hard LMFAO!! :) writing that one down.

[whitedust]

Never heard of a Chinese Fire Drill? Not exactly organized.lol :)

[mspease]

xyooper and russholio,

Those are both very funny and creative! Gotta love some of the things people come up with on here! LMAO.

[russholio]

Thanks, but I gotta defer to xyooper.....I thought his was absolutely hilarious. I think I have to go change my knickers after that one.

[uncle_ed]

I think its a great time to own a snowmobile with so much to choose from out there in the way of fun, reliable sleds. They all have their issues and there will always be blown motors and break downs because they are engineered and put together by humans and we torture the snot out of them!

I cant say for certain that polaris is having any more issues with their 800 than cat or doo but it sure seems to be hyped up alot for sure. What I have been hearing and reading keeps me riding a 600 for now and it will be a long way off before I consider anything else.

As for sales numbers I did find this for what it is worth:
Market Share
It’s difficult to identify the market share held by each OEM because there are no retail sales reports by manufacturer. But Power Products Marketing estimates that there are some significant changes developing a mid-season.
BRP continues to be the segment leader with about 40 percent share, about what it had last year, although it may have slipped a point or two because of lost sales on its Renegade crossover machines.
It looks as though Arctic Cat’s very strong December sales could help it gain a few points, if its sales hold up through the end of the season. If Cat’s sales hold strong, it could move into second place ahead of Polaris, with about 28 percent market share.
Last year, Power Products Marketing estimated that Arctic Cat and Polaris were tied for second place with about 24 percent share. It looks as though Polaris picked up share, but we don’t think it grabbed as much as Arctic through December, and so it slipped to third place. It’s still up in the air as to who is going to hold second place at the end of the season.
Yamaha continued to have a tough time although it’s having a good season, according to West, head of its snowmobile marketing operation.
The silver lining to this year’s snowmobile season at the mid-point is that consumer interest remains high. Consumers seem to remain excited about snowmobiling, and they seem willing to buy new sleds when there’s snow on the ground.

link for article (http://www.dealernews.com/dealernews/Dealer+Sales/Special-Report-Mid-year-snowmobile-sales-climb-sli/ArticleStandard/Article/detail/757002)

[Polarice]

FACTS:
Polarice, if you would of taken the time to read the link that fjr4me posted you would of not be wasting everyones time.
Scroll down to the 4th BRP paragraph. The first sentence states "Ski Doo is the maket share leader in the snow segment.
Is this good enought now?

Ya I actually missed that link. Don't get sooo bent out of shape ya doo harder.

That article is over a year old. I also like how it says; 'about 40 percent...about 24 percent...we think...'. Huh; maybe I should base facts on 'here say' as Judge Judy says.

I don't really care who's on top...I would like to know real up to date figures.

[Polarice]

link for article (http://www.dealernews.com/dealernews/Dealer+Sales/Special-Report-Mid-year-snowmobile-sales-climb-sli/ArticleStandard/Article/detail/757002)

This is more up to date stating that brp is indeed about 40 percent but has dropped. While Polaris they say now is 28 percent when their previous article said about 24 percent. Then they say Polaris has stayed the same...when the other article said 24. Well what is it really?

[whitedust]

This is more up to date stating that brp is indeed about 40 percent but has dropped. While Polaris they say now is 28 percent when their previous article said about 24 percent. Then they say Polaris has stayed the same...when the other article said 24. Well what is it really?

Don't think about it too hard. lol If you are in sales & marketing a 3-5% market gain is huge there is no way you pick up 12-18 % in a year in snowmobiles unless an OEM drops out. Doo like I said is way out in front then Cat & Poo a close 2nd. Poo may slowly move up but it is not like Doo will sit on their hands never have in past & want their numbers up as well. Yamaha I think may sell engines to Cat which would give Cat a big boost if it happens. I'm not sure that Yamaha wants to continue in the long term in the sled biz. Cat now manufacturing SRX for Yamaha & you can be sure Yam lineup OEM engine supply was discussed & would be a very good thing for both companies. This gives Yam a graceful exit to snowmobile market Cat picks up Yam sled dealers & most of Yam market share & overall very profitbale for both companies. Somthing to think about in next few years no room for 4 OEMs in shrinking market!