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skid
10-02-2009, 07:36 PM
Thinking of getting into camping next spring, was thinking about a hi-low type, any pros or cons , compared to a regular type camper?

kevisip
10-02-2009, 07:58 PM
Skid, hi-low? Does in collapse down?
Also, what are you going to use to hall it?

skid
10-02-2009, 08:37 PM
yes i think they are raised up and down with some sort of motor. will be pulling it with a dodge nitro

yamahauler
10-02-2009, 11:01 PM
skid---the up and down is your arm power...I guess you can buy a version that has a motor as an option. And if your going for options, get an auto leveling option if they provide it.

hi-low, easier when pulling, decent storage. I think the only thing is keeping the mice out during storage. Other than that, that fairly maintenance free.

Oh ya, my sister has one that has a built in storage area in the front that is really nice and it also has pop outs in 3 directions.

Happy Camping, it is fun.

samc
10-03-2009, 12:07 AM
Nate hit the nail on the head. Fun - A pop up is the way to go, great gas mileage, easy storage, etc.....

elf
10-03-2009, 08:42 AM
Skid,
I've got a used Coeman Mesa pop up for sale in the Misc ads here on John Dee. We used it for 7-8 yrs and really enjoyed it. Its a great way to get into camping.

lofsfire
10-03-2009, 06:44 PM
samc, elf~ the Hi-Lo is not exactly a pop up. It does pop up so you get the befit of towing a smaller trailer but it has hard sides to it instead of canvas.

skid~ I have seen the ads for the Hi-Lo also but have never seen one in person. Ask about leaks. I was told they had some problems with some units. When I was looking one thing I noticed is the interior walls where 1/2 solid and half canvas. Not a big deal just something to note and think about. I know I saw a company out of NY making sled trailers like the Hi-Lo's also. If I where look more seriously at campers I would take a closer look and the Hi-lo's they look nice. The other campers I really like are the toy haulers. it would be nice to not have to get a room up north all the time and get year round use of the trailer/camper. But that just my opinion.

Hi-lo (http://www.hilotrailer.com/)

Saw this on sledmi
Toy Hauler (http://www.sledmi.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=1558)

chords
10-03-2009, 07:24 PM
Grandparents had Hi Lo. 12 V battery or hand crank up. Nice trailer. I would take a hard shell over pop up with canvas.

Another option for 2 people is the Aliner brand. Ive checked one out inside. Lots of center headroom, windows and protection.

Short YouTube showing easy Aliner set up (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqi7wOAxp4c&feature=related)

polaris_5
10-03-2009, 08:40 PM
My parents have one they love it. There a little heavy for pulling. I would check weight and what your nitro could pull.There's have no canvas on the sides. Just push the button and it raises solid sides.Thought about getting the kids camping next year also there are some nice canvas trailers out there also. They had another camper before this one that you cranked up solid sides and folded out the ends which were also solid nice unit. Don't know who made that one was really old.

kevisip
10-04-2009, 09:34 AM
I do like that Hi-Lo that lotsfire put a link to. Especially if you have limited space to store it. It can fit in a garage nicely. And Im sure they are easy to tow with...

But I would also like a toy hauler if money no option.

technologic
10-04-2009, 07:55 PM
Wife and I love our pop up. Never been in a "hi-lo" though. Our pup is pretty spacious inside and can sleep 7 to 9 pending on how cumfy you want to get. Cheap to buy, cheap to haul and somewhat easy to store. We have a king size bed on one side, a queen on the other and the couch & table can fold out to make a larger then king size bed. Storage can be as easy/hard as any other trailer but sometimes easier for the pup.

If we were to do something different we would investigate the 'hi-lo' but it would be pretty hard to move away from our pup!

Maintinance is a little differnet (higher) due to the canvess but not much. A little attention to calking, making sure it's dry when you pack it down and staying on top of mold is the most you need to keep attention to. Insurance is cheap to: like $50 full coverage for a year.

To each his own. I like spending time outdoors when I camp and don't need a home away from home. It's my cup of tea. My dad's 29' trailer seems to have less room then my pup because of all the walls and such. Seems more cramped. But it's quiter at night and don't have to worry about leaks for the most part and packing down wet canvess and poping it again to dry it out... Like I am doing this moment. Wet weekend here at our holloween camping excursion Friday and Sat.

Anyways, good luck on your search!

elf
10-05-2009, 11:20 AM
Technologic
I agree with you, we loved our pop up. Once it was put up, there was a ton of room in it and we basically used it onl;y to sleep in. We figured camping was supposed to be doing things outdoors, not sitting in a camper. We are only getting rid of ours because our kids don't want to share the bunk on one end anymore and I hate the idea of setting up the couch or dinette for them. But, we didn't want to get the travel trailer either so we ended up buying a Hybrid. It's a Travelstar that has 3 beds that fold out from it, so everybody gets there own bed. We are also kind of looking forward to having a bathroom!

technologic
10-06-2009, 04:17 PM
Ya - I can't for the life of me figure out why people spend the big bucks for the huge trailers and RV's only to sit and watch TV!? Don't get it. Anyways, they are enjoying themselves and so are we!

Those tables are a pain to collapse down into the bed. I been studying it for while to figure on an easier way. For now our two girls sleep on one side and the wife and I on the other. All is happy... so far.

http://www.johndee.com/discuss/messages/58069/115985.jpg

snowangel03
10-06-2009, 09:33 PM
We have a 30ft 5th wheel and the only time we're in there watching TV is on weekends like this last one when it's 45 degrees and raining. I love our camper with it's satellite TV, hot water and everything else it has. We have been down to the Talladega Nascar Race, up to Northern Wisconsin and Michigan, and next year we plan to go to South Dakota! We started in a tent, then a pop-up, then a travel trailer and now our 5th wheel. I loved all of them and I have great memories of all of them.

http://www.johndee.com/discuss/messages/58069/115998.jpg

snowangel03
10-06-2009, 09:35 PM
This last pic was up in Mercer at the Loon Lagoon. I can't believe I was actually able to post a pic!!! I never tried.

snowangel03
10-06-2009, 10:02 PM
Here's the pop-up we had in 2001 and 2002. We loved it!!!
http://www.johndee.com/discuss/messages/58069/116005.jpg

snowangel03
10-06-2009, 10:09 PM
Here's our travel trailer that we had from 2003 to 2007. I'm dangerous now because I've learned how to upload pics, LOL!!!
http://www.johndee.com/discuss/messages/58069/116008.jpg

switch07
10-06-2009, 10:27 PM
Snowangel03 I'm with you on comfort. We also started with a tent, popup, travel trailer, and finaly after the kids are gone we are with a 38 foot Montana 5th wheel. We love camping and sitting by the fire making smores and breathing in the smoke like all camping people. But when it is time for bed I crawl into a king size bed, flip on the direct tv, watch a race or the news and get a great nights sleep. The kids laugh and say thats not camping, but I beg to differ. What they really mean is why didn't you have this when we were growing up......LOL.

snowangel03
10-06-2009, 10:50 PM
Switch07, exactly!!!

This weekend was so cold and rainy but we hadn't been to our camper in a couple of weeks so we went anyway. We spent Friday night inside watching TV, but on Saturday I went into town (Plymouth, IN) and did some shopping, got a tattoo (another story entirely) and then we were able to sit in front of a neighbors campfire for about an hour or so before the rain started again. We went inside of our neighbors "park model" and played cards until 4am!!! Always good times!!!!

And now with our children grown and with grandchildren it's even nicer to have the extra space.

38ft Montana? Do you have pics? Ours is a Montana Mountaineer. The only thing we would do different if we bought another one is have the "living area" in the back and the door in the middle. When we pull out the sofa for a bed, you have to step over the bed to get outside. Ah, the discomforts of camping, LOL!!!!

kevisip
10-07-2009, 12:41 AM
Snowangel, I like your camper. Might be gettin one of dooz 5th (fit wheelerz) soon. They look so comfy. Some have fireplaces and granite counter tops. Its still fun even in the cold, as long as you have a cold beer, a fire, friends to celebrate with, and a wife to clean up the mess!
The camper show iz-a-comin!

technologic
10-07-2009, 10:08 AM
Snowangel03 - HAHA, I have to admit the hard-sides at the campground we stayed at this past weekend did look inviting for sure! It was cold, wet and windy all weekend. Oh well, like I say your having fun and we are to. It's all good at a campground!

frnash
10-07-2009, 01:08 PM
Now here's my idea of the ultimate 'go anywhere' camper: the EarthRoamer XV-LT (http://www.earthroamer.com/tab_xpedition_vehicles/xvlt1_overview.html).
However, my needs may be a bit different than yours, primary need is a self contained 'go anywhere' machine suitable for flying 'solo', with on board "rest room" facility (Darn prostate (BPH) business, anyway!), kitchen gear is handy too in order to avoid having to head into 'town' from da boonies for restaurant food.

One small benefit is that the camper heat, hot water, and stove all powered by safe and efficient diesel fuel, there are no propane tanks to deal with! See the Camper Appliances (http://www.earthroamer.com/tab_aboutus/camper_appliances.html).

See also XV-LT Systems (http://www.earthroamer.com/tab_xpedition_vehicles/xvlt3_systems.html).

Note that the absence of a propane tank also eliminates the hassle experienced in traveling through some highway tunnels where propane tanks are not allowed.

The only real problem is the $250,000.00 price tag. I guess I'll have to win da Powerball lottery first, eh?

I will concede a small advantage that the fifth wheel and other 'detachable' campers have over a 'motor home' or other self-contained unit: Ya can leave 'em at your campsite when you need to head into town for groceries, etc. with your tow vehicle instead of having to abandon the campsite and drive off with the entire rig.

samc
10-07-2009, 01:42 PM
That EarthRoamer is nice. Perfect for getting off the bet and path but very pricy. WOW

elf
10-07-2009, 02:00 PM
We are eagerly awaiting our first trip in our new to us hybrid. It'll be nice to not only have hot water, a bathroom, and larger fridge, but to also still be sleeping under the canvas tent ends so it still feels like the pop up. Unfortuanetly, due to schedules and the weather up here in northern Minn, we propably won't get out until next spring.

switch07
10-08-2009, 09:50 PM
We have our 5th wheel set up on a permanent site in Door county. My job consists of a lot of travel so this works out well for us. My wife is up at the camp while I am gone and all she has to do is turn on the water, push a button and the awning comes down, open the shed and take out the golf cart. We have a bar and fridge set up in the shed so that saves on wear and tear in the camper when we are going for drinks...LOL. We have a rear kitchen, center lounge, side isle upper with a large bathroom and shower combo and a king size bed. There are three slide outs, fireplace and tons of storage. On the out side compartment we have a 32" flat screen that we use for Nascar, Packer, Badger, and Brewer games, or the ocasional movie that we can watch from the camp fire or on the deck. To us this is camping.....no work just enjoy.
http://www.johndee.com/discuss/messages/58069/116188.jpg

switch07
10-08-2009, 09:53 PM
http://www.johndee.com/discuss/messages/58069/116190.jpg
Another view.

switch07
10-08-2009, 10:01 PM
http://www.johndee.com/discuss/messages/58069/116192.jpg
This is our toy to drive and visit our camping friends sites.

kevisip
10-09-2009, 09:29 AM
Switch, I love your set-up. Hopefully I am on my way to being trailer..well anyway. I love those 5th wheelers. Also, if you dont like your neighbor, you can just get up and leave.

snowangel03
10-11-2009, 09:09 PM
Switch, how beautiful!!! What size/model is that? It looks huge!!! Do you have any pics of the inside? I really do love this way of "camping".

We are on a permanent site too. A shed with fridge and bar area. A golf cart too. Here is a pic of our camper with golf cart on our site.

http://www.johndee.com/discuss/messages/58069/116470.jpg

snowangel03
10-11-2009, 09:21 PM
Here's a better pic of our golf cart.

http://www.johndee.com/discuss/messages/58069/116472.jpg

switch07
10-11-2009, 10:42 PM
Snow... We don't have any pics of the inside, I guess we spend more time outside. It is a 2008 3585SA from Montana. 38 feet total length. If you go on the Keystone web site you can see the inside floor plan. The inside colors have the blue accents. We pull this monster with my Duramax, and to tell you the truth, it hardly knows its back there. 5th wheels pull so much better than trailers, it"s amazing. Our thirty foot travel trailer we pulled with the same truck was all over the place, even with anti sway gear. This year I had to miss the Hodag up north and my wife pulled the thing up and back with no problems.
Each year I try and improve on our site and next year I am remodeling the shed with finished walls and laminate flooring. As you can see from the pics it is kind of messy.
One of the nicest things about a perm site is watching the other campers setting up on Friday, and packing up to leave on Sunday. I do miss visiting other campgrounds, but with my job it is hard to make resevations so far in advance when I don't even know if I will be home. It is a big investment to leave parked at home. Now that the season is coming to and end, it will be time to put her to bed till next spring. Oh well, it will be time to play in the snow soon. It is great having two hobbies that are so much different, but so much fun. Time to THINK SNOW!
http://www.johndee.com/discuss/messages/58069/116485.jpg

switch07
10-11-2009, 10:43 PM
http://www.johndee.com/discuss/messages/58069/116487.jpg

switch07
10-11-2009, 10:46 PM
P.S. I like your cart Snow.
http://www.johndee.com/discuss/messages/58069/116490.jpg

snowangel03
10-11-2009, 11:33 PM
Very nice set-up!!! I went on the Keystone sight and I like the floorplan!

Where in Door County are you? We were there in 2007 and we stayed at a campground in Sister Bay. I can't remember the name of it anymore. We pull our camper occasionally. We have friends that have property in Mauston, WI (near the Dells) and we spent some time there this year. We also went up to Mercer and the UP with it this year.

I am a chicken!! I haven't pulled it yet! I hate driving and pulling the sleds! Hubby tells me it's a piece of cake and I know I have to do it because I want to be able to go out west with it and I can't expect him to do all the driving.

It is nice with a summer and winter hobby!! Although we won't be doing much sledding this winter. We usually only get to go once or twice anyway but this year money is extra tight and we're planning a South Dakota trip with the camper next summer. Hopefully it will snow a ton here (I'm in the Chicago area - unfortunately). Then we can just trailer them about 30 minutes away and we'll be able to ride!!

switch07
10-12-2009, 09:34 PM
We are at Quietwoods South near Brussels, only about 1/2 hr from home in Green Bay. We stay up during the week sometimes cause it is so close to work. There are 200 sites and about 80 of them are perm. We like it there.....works for us.

mjdeutsch
10-16-2009, 09:32 PM
Camping is Awsome, we have a used 2006 30 foot bunkhouse travel trailer, when buying a used camper the big things are water leaks from inproper winterizing and leaky roofs. If you can tow it I would go with a regular travel trailer or fifth wheel. Newer pop ups are just as expensive and if it rains or is real cold it just a tent off the ground. Not very familier with the high low, but I would think the weather seal and mechanical lift could be a maintance issue. as far as wind while towing, i use the weight distrabution hitch and wind has never been a problem, if it is just slow down a little. Main thing is to spend w/i your means and enjoy your time with the family. ENJOY!!