A bit of weather nostalgia. This is a old black and white photo taken on our farm in northern MN in mid-March, 1966. The quality is pretty poor but it was almost 50 years ago. My brothers' 59 Merc in the foreground doesn't look too bad but the combine in the background is half buried. Definitely rideable snow.
Both of us being teenagers, it was always important for us to get into town so we did a lot of shoveling back then. If we wanted to go, we shoveled.
I like the old picture Skiroule, but growing up a couple of hours west of where you lived, we had our worst blizzard of recorded history in early March of 1966. The snow was all but gone by the 1st of March and then the blizzard hit, so the snow was great until late March that year. In 1996 we could ride until early May and when MN fishing opened in mid May they were still ice fishing on Lake of the Woods, we have years with low snow, great snow, and average snow, and it has been that way since I can remember. I think that almost everyone thinks that we had more snow when we were young but a 2 foot high snowbank looks like more when you are 4 feet tall than when you are 6 feet tall, and if you watch the vintage sledneck video on another thread you can see that the sleds we rode in the 60's and 70's only needed about 8" to be over the bumper deep. The climate is always changing but whenever we have a weather event in the US it seems that the media tries to make a connection to climate change and I don't buy that.
Your memory is better than mine BR. I remember the storm but I don't remember our conditions prior to the storm.
I guess if I think back on it, the claim was often made that the low snow years in the mid 70s (among other things) wiped out most of the snowmobile manufacturers.
I suppose that in addition to being short, the longer than average winters could have made it appear that there was more snow than was really the case.
Slowly but surely, you guys are debunking my position. Well, I've been wrong before.
Either you disagree/don't care, and you just forget about it.
OR
You agree, and think we should do something about it. This is the tough one, what exactly are you going to do about it? At what temperature should we set Mother Nature's thermostat at? And then, at what cost?
Personally, I'm with the first option, don't care.
Either you disagree/don't care, and you just forget about it.
OR
You agree, and think we should do something about it. This is the tough one, what exactly are you going to do about it? At what temperature should we set Mother Nature's thermostat at? And then, at what cost?
Personally, I'm with the first option, don't care.
I think it is a bit more than just that but agree for the most part. Since we do have concrete evidence of a wide variation of climate dynamics over the eons and of recent years, it lends credibility, concerning a warming trend (and a great amount at that) to what we are observing. It is a huge jump to claim man's interference in this. It is irresponsible to take the liberty, waste time, resources and tax payer money to develop a plan of action. Actually we have seen some poor behavior some time back on the news about GW guys messing with the numbers or something of that matter. I mention this to show how driven some are. I mean come on,,,, There is no doubt an agenda and that is clearly shown by the action these guys took being devious and promoting their agenda with falsification. After all, who took the initiative to bring this GW to light? GW opposition does not disagree we are observing a warming trend but to conclude this observation as a picture as they have painted it is not science at all, especially since we have proof of this occurrence before we burned fossil fuel. I can only speculate as to what their objective actually is but I can tell you if left unchecked, we will suffer by all the money, resources, time, regulations that will come into place.
The best course of action would be to continue to observe, test and be certain we are being responsible in a reasonable manner. We cannot allow fear to cloud the issue. It sounds all real nice and politically correct to do as DCSNOMO says but it's still unreasonable to act as he stated without any evidence to support the claim. Allow science to determine the facts and than act accordingly, in the mean time live responsible and continue to refine our abilities to keep the environment clean.
Well said Lenny..........I would like to add that John Coleman the founder of The Weather Channel said fluctuation of the Earths temperatures has occurred naturally in the past, so one degree or so warmer??? woo... Tom Skilling said that the Pendulum can swing the other way and the cold snowy years of the late 70,s early 80's could return.
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Climate change has been going on since there was climate. It warms up - it cools down - it does what it does. Anyone that thinks there is no such thing as climate change is a fool. Has man contributed to the current cycle? There is really no way of telling. We could be in a natural warming cycle. It could make absolutely no difference how much of whatever we are pumping into the atmosphere. Nobody can prove otherwise. There are not records that go back far enough to make any rational judgements. If man were wiped off the face of the earth tomorrow the earth would 'heal' itself from whatever damage man did to it very rapidly. Things might look a little different and some species would be extinct. So what? New forms and variations of life would evolve. It is all 'change' which man really has very little to do with. These Whack-jobs would have you think that if they ( the Whack-jobs) had been around when there were Dinosaurs we would still have Dinosaurs. Elephants do not claim to have an effect on the climate. Nor do Wasps or Tadpoles or Condors. Only man in all his arrogance claims the power to alter climate. Oh, and a little $ to grease the whole process never hurts.
This thread is a tad old, but I wanted to add something.
I'm 32 years old and the first 20+ years of my life we almost never built snowpack in southern Michigan. We would get a garden variety storm of 6-10 inches. It would last about 1-2 weeks and melt away. Once 2000 hit I started noticing the increasing amount of snow-on-snow events as I called them. We now keep snow on the ground long enough for successive snows. This is a pretty bad example of that type of winter, but this is a wide scale anomaly regardless.
i believe weather almost always averages itself out everyone has already forgot that last year was a record setting year for snow in wi at least where i am from. and this year Europe and Alaska have set records for cold and snow! i know we only have records from a hunderd years ago or so but how can you say we had so much snow back then when we set records you can deny fact!
For years, climate change cultists have attempted to shut down public discourse over global warming by assuring us that “the debate is over,” that scientists are in lockstep agreement that Man is steam-frying his own planet.
That was always bunk, of course. For one, if the scientific debate was really over, no one would have to say it. There just wouldn’t be any debate. No one these days goes around saying “the debate is over” about heliocentrism. That’s because no one questions the fact that the Earth revolves around the Sun – there is literally no debate.
A really inconvenient truth is Earth not melting after all
Earth is not warming. According to Big Green enviros, only Luddites
and lunatics would believe such a ludicrous statement.
Well, now government scientists must be added to the long list of the so addled. Here it is, straight from the (high tech) horse's mouth, a new report from NASA's Goddard Institute for Space Studies titled "Global Temperature in 2011, Trends, and Prospects:"
"Global temperature in 2011 was lower than in 1998."
Met Office releases new figures which show no warming in 15 years
The supposed ‘consensus’ on man-made global warming is facing an inconvenient challenge after the release of new temperature data showing the planet has not warmed for the past 15 years.
The figures suggest that we could even be heading for a mini ice age to rival the 70-year temperature drop that saw frost fairs held on the Thames in the 17th Century.
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Meanwhile, leading climate scientists yesterday told The Mail on Sunday that, after emitting unusually high levels of energy throughout the 20th Century, the sun is now heading towards a ‘grand minimum’ in its output, threatening cold summers, bitter winters and a shortening of the season available for growing food.
Simultaneous warming on Earth and Mars suggests that our planet's recent climate changes have a natural — and not a human-induced — cause, according to one scientist's controversial theory.
Mars, too, appears to be enjoying more mild and balmy temperatures.
In 2005 data from NASA's Mars Global Surveyor and Odyssey missions revealed that the carbon dioxide "ice caps" near Mars's south pole had been diminishing for three summers in a row.
Habibullo Abdussamatov, head of space research at St. Petersburg's Pulkovo Astronomical Observatory in Russia, says the Mars data is evidence that the current global warming on Earth is being caused by changes in the sun.
"The long-term increase in solar irradiance is heating both Earth and Mars," he said.
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"Man-made greenhouse warming has made a small contribution to the warming seen on Earth in recent years, but it cannot compete with the increase in solar irradiance," Abdussamatov said.
I just can't believe that carbon dioxide is a cause for warming of any temperatures anywhere. It only comprises .038% of the atmosphere! Of that, only 3% can be attributed to mankind. Laying out the atmosphere gases on a football field, the first 78 yards is nitrogen, oxygen is the next 21 yards. Thats 99 yards, the final yard, except for 2 1/2 inches is argon. Of the final 2 1/2 inches 1.37 inches is carbon dioxide. Of that 1.37 inches, man contributes about the width of a dime standing on edge! So a dime standing on edge on a 100 yard football field is our contribution to the so called greenhouse effect. Sorry, not buying this one! Is the weather changing? Yes. Is it changing enough for us to notice in our lifetime, doubt it. I do know the world has been changing since the beginning of time, and will continue to change to the end. When you consider all the forces that drive our climate, the sun, the moon, the axis of the earth and the wobble of the axis, and others we may not know of, or at least know their effects on the weather. Carbon dioxide is not one of them. It is just a rouse to scare the public so the politicians can tax it! Period! A good book with tons of info is Climategate by Brian Sussman. It comes with footnotes so you can check his info, something Al Gore does not provide!
Bay between L'anse and Baraga has NO ice for the first time in like 70 years according to a local we were talking to in L'anse the other day. He said they are usually driving out the ice fishing spots in February. Waves crashing on shore by a park with some geese running around on Feb 6th. Just a freak winter, thats all.
Ok ,I see all sides and still not 100% sure yet but we can all learn from this # 1 cleaning up the earth can't be a bad thing
#2 there are lots of jobs in going what they call (green)#3its time for us to look in to getting power from wind
Ps I'm not a tree huger and I ride a 2 stroke 800
I was talking to a friend of mine one time and he gave me his views on global warming.He says million years ago the world was all jungle then 50k years ago we had an ice age.Then he said he thinks the world is still thawing out from the ice age.I don't know if I agree with it but in some strange way it kinda makes since.
Above are some interesting pictures related to the record cold parts of Europe have experienced this year. I don't want to make light of this, as many have lost their lives as a result, but it is interesting how one part of the globe can have such a mild winter and another such as severe winter.
Seems like it's all the sun and the jet stream, at least to someone like me who doesn't know what I'm talking about.
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