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Poor guy is 16 years old.You have to START somewhere.The more you learn the bigger your foundation.If you change directions it isnt a waste.Every career goes through cycles.Sounds like you will do great whatever happens.The individual is the largest deciding factor on what they get out of any carrer.
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Indy, as far as debt, you mentioned they would pay for your schooling which would equal no debt. If they would pay for a your year degree, why not take it. If you don't use it is fine, if you do, then you have it.
Polarice: This joke is all in fun and after your last few posts I have to tell it. How do you know when a salesperson is lying??? When their mouth is moving. Sorry couldn't resist. Salespeople CAN make a good living but they can also be hammered when things go south like the last few years. It just depends on what area you are in I guess.
The pay thing also depends on what area you are in. If you live in small town don't expect to necessarily make as much as the city but then again that small town cost of living is usually less as well so it is an even trade.
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 Originally Posted by yamahauler
Indy, as far as debt, you mentioned they would pay for your schooling which would equal no debt. If they would pay for a your year degree, why not take it. If you don't use it is fine, if you do, then you have it.
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They only pay to get a "machine tool technician" degree
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If you want to move to the UP Extreme Tool is always looking for help in that field... There are 2 tool/mold making co's up here that always in need qualified workers. http://www.extremetool.com/employment.htm
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Indy - I was very similar to you in high school. I loved to repair stuff, mostly in the automotive area. I talked with lots of people and somehow I became a mechanical engineer and graduated from Mich Tech. I wouldn't suggest it like you already said. You don't really ever get to put your hands on stuff and build it, that is what the machinists/welders/whatever do. After working for 3 completely different companies in three different fields my advice would be to stick to something you love to do. Forget about money and pick what you want to do, if you are good enough the money will follow.
As for welding, I think you can make a lot of money. But you could make more as a broker for stocks, selling insurance etc. There will always be jobs that pay more money than what you are making right now, just a fact. Find something you want to get up for each day and your life will be nothing but fun.
Oh yeah the internship with school. It can never hurt to get a degree, NEVER. I would do it, if nothing else you will be making boat loads of money while in school so you can ride your sled, put more sh*$ on your truck etc.
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Get into wire EDM best thing i did,learn some cad programs if you like computers cad is really not that hard.
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Originally Posted by Noodles
Poor guy is 16 years old.You have to START somewhere.The more you learn the bigger your foundation.If you change directions it isnt a waste.Every career goes through cycles.Sounds like you will do great whatever happens.The individual is the largest deciding factor on what they get out of any carrer.
That's true that you do have to start somewhere. I'm trying to help give a different perspective. Perhaps not 'positive' but 'constructive.'
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Originally Posted by yamahauler
Polarice: This joke is all in fun and after your last few posts I have to tell it. How do you know when a salesperson is lying??? When their mouth is moving. Sorry couldn't resist. Salespeople CAN make a good living but they can also be hammered when things go south like the last few years. It just depends on what area you are in I guess.
A 'bad' salesman is a liar. The economy does hurt but a sales position is a very good career. Just like machining though...you have a 'trade' to fall back on. Starting out though as a machinist you're on the bottom of the totem pole. As a salesperson, you could be on top really quick if you're good.
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Indy - people more familiar with this line of work have given you good advice above. I work as a business financial consultant (have a CPA background). I recently had a CNC shop as a client (made parts for Delta faucets and Bilstein shocks) and I spent about 8 months working there onsite. I'm assuming you want to be the guy doing the designs and set-ups, not the hourly operator. You seem to be way too creative to be satisfied in the long run for the operator role. But that was a fairly "basic" shop - high volume, low difficulty of parts - so I don't want to give you advice as to this field. If I were you, I would probably do this program. Sounds like a good opportunity to figure out if this is something that interests you. However, I would implore you to also take as much math and science as you can in high school, because those skills and more importantly the thinking skills developed in learning them will be critical in any field that is likely to interest you. Just my $0.02, which isn't worth much any more.
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Thanks for all the replies so far! If anybody has anything else to add, feel free! This is REALLY helping. The only problem is my mom. She really wants me to go to a 4 yr. college while my dad really wants me to do this. My dad worked in a machine shop for the first 5ish years of his adult life, but mostly as an operator and realized paper milles payed a lot more LOL. I think it's a really good opportunity, too good to pass up. I get hands on training, and if I decide I don't like it, well, I'm still a senior in high school and have the next few years to go to tech for something else, or do whatever else I decide.
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Good point about still being in high school. You could do something else. Another good option would be the medical field. If you like to help people you won't be wandering around when you get out of school to find a job.
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Indy I say do it, get a feel for it, you may find that you don't like it, which will be fine because you still have time to change your direction. And while you are there, learn EVERYTHING you can learn, don't just think, " I am here to learn this, and this only". The more experience you have doing whatever, the more valuable you are.
If you find you love it, that is awesome, it is no fun getting up to go to work hating what you have to do to make a living!
Lake Effect Snow, my three favorite words. 
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Indy- I did a similar program when I was in high school, except I worked on building fire trucks. I learned so much stuff about manufacturing and the real world. I think that if you are willing to put the time in the machine shop it will at least give you a chance to see what you think of the work and you can ask yourself if it is something that you really want to get into. It is experience that you will never lose. I was considering to be a CNC machinist but I decided that I would go into CAD and design. I went to school for 2 years and I got a AS degree in engineering and design. Once I started working the company that I worked for needed a CAD/CAM programmer, so they sent me to training and I started creating the programs for the machines. I enjoyed that but I liked designing better.
I look back at what I have learned and I think that it makes me a much better at my job. I now work for a large medical device company designing equipment. I think that if machining interests you I would jump on the program. From the posts that I have read you seem to be very creative and willing to learn. Like Skylar said, Learn everything you can. The experience that you gain will help out in the future. Good Luck!
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Look into going to school for heavy equipment operator, They get paid pretty good and you get to play with some cool stuff.
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Originally Posted by tomxc700
Look into going to school for heavy equipment operator, They get paid pretty good and you get to play with some cool stuff.
This is what I was going to do but at the time I wanted a steady paycheck and did not want to be off in the winter (this is before I was into sledding go figure, I would like to be off now). So I opted for the steady pay as a machinist altho I did go into the miltary and drove heavy equipment in order to get the experience. Now instead of driving CATS, Deere, Bobcat etc. I'm making tools that machine parts for them
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I learned when I was in my 30's and it was not so easy. Programing was. All you do is scan something and baboom! lol... I liked doing all of it. From start to finish. Good luck Indy!
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Originally Posted by indy_500
Thanks for all the replies so far! If anybody has anything else to add, feel free! This is REALLY helping. The only problem is my mom. She really wants me to go to a 4 yr. college while my dad really wants me to do this. My dad worked in a machine shop for the first 5ish years of his adult life, but mostly as an operator and realized paper milles payed a lot more LOL. I think it's a really good opportunity, too good to pass up. I get hands on training, and if I decide I don't like it, well, I'm still a senior in high school and have the next few years to go to tech for something else, or do whatever else I decide.
The first rule of thumb I figured out after listening to my parents for 22 years: Do what you want to do, not what will make them happy. If you have to work somewhere that you don't like you won't last there long. Your parents may be happy with the job but if you are let go because you aren't putting effort into the job are they going to let you move back in with them? Probably not. Do what you want to do. There is some awesome advice above about the trade you want to get into, but like someone said, learn not just what a CNC operator does, learn what manufacturing is all about. And no matter what anyone says LEAN manufacturing is here to stay.
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Originally Posted by tealracing16
And no matter what anyone says LEAN manufacturing is here to stay.
Amen to that...I started in a shop of around 120 on the floor in 96...went thru a lot...and I mean a lot of 70+++ hours a week...then went thru the slow time of being laid off for a bit...and barley getting 40 a week for a few months...we leaned down to about 35 on the floor and probably aint ever going back up...but we still kick as much if not more work out then any of our busyest years...and turn around is in weeks and not months on top of that...
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Indy I was the type of kid that was always taking things apart just to see how they worked and then put them back together. Sometimes they would work sometimes they didn’t. There is nothing wrong with being a machinist, they are defiantly a needed. Quite often a machinist stands at a machine most of the day and run parts the good ones can program but you are still standing still running parts. I would at least look into the industrial maintanence mechanics program at the local tech school. Maintenance mechanics / machine tool repair the mechanics are not tied to a machine and can typically work throughout the building repairing the machines and systems. It is a large field and the schooling will get you in the door for many types of jobs
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Well, went to an open house last night with my parents, get back home and theres a message for me on the answering machine, they already want to set up an interview! I tried calling him back 3 times already, no answer he must be done for the week. I'm 1/3 who's sent a resume, about 15 kids from all different schools were there. A lot of them dressed worse than I do when I go to school. I also have a friend there (who i worked with at fleet in my dept. and goes to school with me) who put in a good word for me. He said they constantly are asking him about me, hopefully all goes well! Me and my parents talked to one of the owners a lot last night while taking a tour (my 2nd time there). The owner is a really cool guy, knows every single guys name out on the floor, still helps on tougher projects. There's actually 4 owners of the place all former machinists who wanted to start a shop that focuses on quality and cleanliness. There isn't a single metal shaving on the floor, you could eat off the floor. And the best part, I was even on the news last night!
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Way to go Indy! Good Luck!!
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Originally Posted by indy_500
Well, went to an open house last night with my parents, get back home and theres a message for me on the answering machine, they already want to set up an interview! I tried calling him back 3 times already, no answer he must be done for the week. I'm 1/3 who's sent a resume, about 15 kids from all different schools were there. A lot of them dressed worse than I do when I go to school. I also have a friend there (who i worked with at fleet in my dept. and goes to school with me) who put in a good word for me. He said they constantly are asking him about me, hopefully all goes well! Me and my parents talked to one of the owners a lot last night while taking a tour (my 2nd time there). The owner is a really cool guy, knows every single guys name out on the floor, still helps on tougher projects. There's actually 4 owners of the place all former machinists who wanted to start a shop that focuses on quality and cleanliness. There isn't a single metal shaving on the floor, you could eat off the floor. And the best part, I was even on the news last night!
Awesome news Indy! Keep us posted.
Lake Effect Snow, my three favorite words.
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Great news Indy, good luck I'm sure you impressed them
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